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A history of Ireland in 100 goodbyes

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Re: A history of Ireland in 100 goodbyes

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Post by mjfl »

nathell wrote: post #10
mtalantikite wrote: post #7

> 4 Caoineadh Airt Uí Laoghaire I really enjoyed Doireann Ní Ghríofa's book that revolves around this keen, for anyone interested: https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/51498568

Context: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caoineadh_Airt_U%C3%AD_Laoghai... I got interested in Irish having listened to Clannad in high school; at the uni library, I got hold of an Irish textbook, along with a bilingual anthology of Irish poetry ('An Duanaire: Poems of the Dispossessed', edited by Seán Ó Tuama) where the Caoineadh featured prominently.

Any chance that Irish writing could be re-phoneticized? I tried learning Irish for fun but it was tough because all the letters sounded in a really unexpected way. (I also think that English should be re-phoneticized for what it's worth)

Re: A history of Ireland in 100 goodbyes

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Post by rbanffy »

mjfl wrote: post #11
nathell wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Context: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caoineadh_Airt_U%C3%AD_Laoghai... I got interested in Irish having listened to Clannad in high school; at the uni library, I got hold of an Irish textbook, along with a bilingual anthology of Irish poetry ('An Duanaire: Poems of the Dispossessed', edited by Seán Ó Tuama) where the Caoineadh featured prominently.

Any chance that Irish writing could be re-phoneticized? I tried learning Irish for fun but it was tough because all the letters sounded in a really unexpected way. (I also think that English should be re-phoneticized for what it's worth)

I gather they won their independence in no small part due to infuriating the invaders with phoneticisation.

I live in Ireland and was onde fluent in Hungarian. I laugh at anyone who says Hungarian is the hardest language to learn. They obviously never saw Irish.

Re: A history of Ireland in 100 goodbyes

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Post by rbanffy »

Amineh wrote: post #6
dmbche wrote: post #4

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Famous last words of this Irish-American Astronaut https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Collins_(astronaut)

I think you linked the wrong Michael Collins: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Collins_(Irish_leade...

That was the joke part.

Re: A history of Ireland in 100 goodbyes

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Post by nathell »

mjfl wrote: post #11
nathell wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Context: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caoineadh_Airt_U%C3%AD_Laoghai... I got interested in Irish having listened to Clannad in high school; at the uni library, I got hold of an Irish textbook, along with a bilingual anthology of Irish poetry ('An Duanaire: Poems of the Dispossessed', edited by Seán Ó Tuama) where the Caoineadh featured prominently.

Any chance that Irish writing could be re-phoneticized? I tried learning Irish for fun but it was tough because all the letters sounded in a really unexpected way. (I also think that English should be re-phoneticized for what it's worth)

Manx orthography has gone that way. Try it out!

Re: A history of Ireland in 100 goodbyes

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Post by brendoelfrendo »

mjfl wrote: post #11
nathell wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Context: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caoineadh_Airt_U%C3%AD_Laoghai... I got interested in Irish having listened to Clannad in high school; at the uni library, I got hold of an Irish textbook, along with a bilingual anthology of Irish poetry ('An Duanaire: Poems of the Dispossessed', edited by Seán Ó Tuama) where the Caoineadh featured prominently.

Any chance that Irish writing could be re-phoneticized? I tried learning Irish for fun but it was tough because all the letters sounded in a really unexpected way. (I also think that English should be re-phoneticized for what it's worth)

My understanding is that Irish orthography is different, but highly consistent. So once you overcome the initial hurdle of understanding how different phonemes are pronounced, you're mostly good to go.

I tend to think of the Irish alphabet as similar to but subtly distinct from the English alphabet: the two languages use the same Latin characters, but have different sounds associated with them.

Re: A history of Ireland in 100 goodbyes

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Post by lettergram »

rbanffy wrote: post #12
mjfl wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any chance that Irish writing could be re-phoneticized? I tried learning Irish for fun but it was tough because all the letters sounded in a really unexpected way. (I also think that English should be re-phoneticized for what it's worth)

I gather they won their independence in no small part due to infuriating the invaders with phoneticisation. I live in Ireland and was onde fluent in Hungarian. I laugh at anyone who says Hungarian is the hardest language to learn. They obviously never saw Irish.

My wife and I spent a few years practicing Irish. Enough we could have small talk in it and when we traveled to Ireland we could read all the signs and understand when people spoke it.

I look at welsh and still go wtf lol

I find Irish easier when you put on the accent tbh. Makes much more sense when you read / speak it like that

Re: A history of Ireland in 100 goodbyes

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Post by subpixel »

mobilene wrote: post #19

I married into a large Irish family and goodbyes take bloody forever as everyone has to have a ten-minute conversation with everybody else on their way out the door. Irish ghosting goodbye my eye.

Colombians are Irish who can’t hold their alcohol and who take even longer to say goodbye.
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