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Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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That's not even the worse part. The refusal to make a change that costs you nothing in order to stick it to people you don't like is much worse and indicates all sorts of behaviors you do not want on your team.

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I don't really have a dog in this fight, but black isn't a nationality...

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FWIW, French, Spanish and Italian (and probably most languages as a matter of fact) do not capitalize nationalities, religions, languages or skin colors. It's indeed arbitrary and unnecessary.

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The Guardians style guide says let the writer decide:

https://www.theguardian.com/guardian-observer-style-guide-b

"There is debate about the capitalisation of black, with some using it as a physical descriptor, others to describe a specific cultural group, therefore while generally lower case, if a subject, writer or editor of a story prefers to use Black then that choice should be respected."

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I suppose it follows the pattern of nationality names, and more general ethnic or geographical groups, like "Japanese", or "American", or "African"'. Please note that not all Africans have black skin (look at Egypt or Libya), and not all people with black skin are Africans (see India, Micronesia, Philippines, etc). So, to my mind, "Black" with a capital B is not people with black skin. They are by far not all black-skinned people, but a particular geographic and cultural unity, the ancestors of Africans that were brought to the US, enslaved, freed, discriminated against, etc. I won't think that e.g. modem Nigerians, who likely share a lot of distant ancestry with the US Blacks, would find much cultural common ground with them (on top of the fact that Nigeria is highly culturally diverse internally).

So, if you wanted a capital W whites, that likely would be WASPs, also a specific cultural and geographical unity of white-skinned people, but by far not all white people.

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That's not even the worse part. The refusal to make a change that costs you nothing in order to stick it to people you don't like is much worse and indicates all sorts of behaviors you do not want on your team.

Does that shift not regularly annoy other people? I work on several projects throughout the week and not all had their primary branch moved from master to main. I end up getting the branch name wrong a few times a week when context switching..

Is there a better solution than updating some of the older projects and automation?

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I suppose it follows the pattern of nationality names, and more general ethnic or geographical groups, like "Japanese", or "American", or "African"'. Please note that not all Africans have black skin (look at Egypt or Libya), and not all people with black skin are Africans (see India, Micronesia, Philippines, etc). So, to my mind, "Black" with a capital B is not people with black skin. They are by far not all black-s…

Thanks for explaining. I’ve been confused about this and now it makes a lot of sense.

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That's not even the worse part. The refusal to make a change that costs you nothing in order to stick it to people you don't like is much worse and indicates all sorts of behaviors you do not want on your team.

It really is not about that. The problem is that some people feel the need to bend over backwards, making symbolic gestures that do not change the underlying issue. As if renaming 'whitelist' to 'allowlist' is going to turn any neo-nazis into angels.

George Carlin had a word or two to say about this phenomenon: https://youtu.be/hSp8IyaKCs0

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That's not even the worse part. The refusal to make a change that costs you nothing in order to stick it to people you don't like is much worse and indicates all sorts of behaviors you do not want on your team.

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