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Re: Not Using Zoom

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I came directly to the comments to recommend Jitsi instead. Glad the author made the same early in the article.

Good luck to all those that have been trying to convince people to get off Zoom at $WORK (it's not that simple...). This should add some fuel to the fire.

Re: Not Using Zoom

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And I'm curious what Team's current terms are too.

If no one answers I'll ask internally (I'm in Microsoft but just an engineer and not in teams), I can tell you that in our org we don't have access to customer data, actual customer data is encrypted anyway and every access to a production machine is recorded, audited and has to be justified legally (and is very rare to the point I haven't _actually_ seen it done except to literally learn how to go through the proces…

I get it from Zoom's perspective: it's a core differentiator and strategic future advantage for them.

I think it's going to lose them more customers than make them money... but we'll see.

MS is a more interesting case, because they have a tradition of understanding enterprise concerns, and don't really need the data from Teams given their product portfolio.

But, common strategic sense often doesn't stop tactical, myopic product manager blunders, so I am curious.

Re: Not Using Zoom

#23

As important as drawing the casus belli is laying out alternatives. What are the alternatives to Zoom, supporting Linux, OSX, mobile and Windows, with decent terms of use?

Jitsi is amazing. I tried out the desktop client version maybe 10 years ago and it sucked hard. More recently, using their webRTC version has been the smoothest voip experience I've ever had, and it's gratis, and it's open source, and I don't even need to register. It has high quality audio, video, and screen sharing. Honestly, I have no reason to use anything else.

Re: Not Using Zoom

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As important as drawing the casus belli is laying out alternatives. What are the alternatives to Zoom, supporting Linux, OSX, mobile and Windows, with decent terms of use?

The page suggests using Jitsi instead ( https://meet.jit.si/ ), which is apparently open source and can be self-hosted. I've never used it, just pointing at what the page suggests.

Used it loads, it's great.

Re: Not Using Zoom

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OK big question If Jitsi doesn't require a user account, how do they prevent a bunch of random bots using up all their resources with sybil attacks? How do they pay for all that bandwidth, for TURN servers etc? What are the economics of it basically

It probably does STUN but not TURN and relies on the actual data going through P2P, that's what most services that are free do and for a lot of orgs/cases it works pretty well.

This, there's no MCU either, all P2P

Re: Not Using Zoom

#27
While we are it, please don't conduct the meeting in MS Teams unless you are 100% sure that none of the attendees will use Firefox.

(Brave also didn't work but refreshing multiple times worked, don't know, why MS wants to pinpoint Edge or Chrome for Teams)

Re: Not Using Zoom

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As important as drawing the casus belli is laying out alternatives. What are the alternatives to Zoom, supporting Linux, OSX, mobile and Windows, with decent terms of use?

We use Whereby for quite a while, and it works very well. It runs in the browser and does not require any installation (I think they are based on Jitsi).

https://whereby.com

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