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I wonder if we’ll see the day where legal laws change to either condone or just ignore activities like this. I feel like if we did we’d see more good things happening.
https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/en/2023/02/15/ethical-hackers-can-...
I wonder if we’ll see the day where legal laws change to either condone or just ignore activities like this. I feel like if we did we’d see more good things happening.
While it may be possible for this person to face criminal charges, I doubt any police force or attorney general would really want to investigate or charge this person. And a civil case would require the claimant to prove damages, which they'd struggle to do. So aren't we already at a point where this is condoned/ignored?
What happens when a more novice grey hat tries it and bricks the machines? What happens if they patch the routers with software patches that have embedded malware?
Ultimately, patching systems on the internet means you are very likely crossing jurisdictional boundaries, so beware what governments you might piss off.
Personally, I like that prosecutors in the US are ethically bound to understand why the suspect did what they did (their intentions/motivations) and that prosecutors have the duty to prosecute only cases that they can convince juries to convict on. More than that, prosecutors rarely have lots of spare cycles, so they have to plan+choose their prosecution resources judiciously.
And then civil liability is very different from criminal prosecution.
I wonder if we’ll see the day where legal laws change to either condone or just ignore activities like this. I feel like if we did we’d see more good things happening.
Growing public fruit trees, handing out food, stopping to help an injured person, all of those are illegal in some jurisdictions or can get you into serious legal trouble. That is because laws exist not just to stop bad things but also to stop good things from happening, or at least centralize how good things are done. I mean, otherwise what would happen? We’d all probably just take care of each other, and we can’t h…
Even more generally, some form of harm needs to be shown to prosecute. Unfortunately there’s an increasingly broad definition of “harm”, at least here in the UK, but for now you do have to really screw up in any of the cases you’ve listed.
I wonder if we’ll see the day where legal laws change to either condone or just ignore activities like this. I feel like if we did we’d see more good things happening.
Growing public fruit trees, handing out food, stopping to help an injured person, all of those are illegal in some jurisdictions or can get you into serious legal trouble. That is because laws exist not just to stop bad things but also to stop good things from happening, or at least centralize how good things are done. I mean, otherwise what would happen? We’d all probably just take care of each other, and we can’t h…
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While it may be possible for this person to face criminal charges, I doubt any police force or attorney general would really want to investigate or charge this person. And a civil case would require the claimant to prove damages, which they'd struggle to do. So aren't we already at a point where this is condoned/ignored?
Perhaps for one person doing it a few times and competently patching systems. What happens when a more novice grey hat tries it and bricks the machines? What happens if they patch the routers with software patches that have embedded malware? Ultimately, patching systems on the internet means you are very likely crossing jurisdictional boundaries, so beware what governments you might piss off. Personally, I like that…
Then a civil claim could show damages, or there would be some amount of motivation for the state to go after them.
Ask me how I know.
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You know, one aspect that doesn't appear to be covered in that article is scams. There are often scams perpetrated where someone fakes injury or accident, either to create a diversion, or to attract wannabe "Good Samaritans" who come to render assistance and then find themselves pickpocketed or in worse trouble than they started out. There are also people who pretend to be out of gas and just need a can filled at the…
I don't stay away. I frequently get stuck in, calling the police, ambulance and fire services for people, assisting epileptics in shops and planes, helping lost children, picking up random dogs and returning them to their owners... Why do you think life is too short, I've always thought it the perfect length, do divulge what it is that takes the time for you?
None of that stuff happens to me. How would I assist an epileptic, or a lost child, in a way that could not be better done by a professional who is trained and commissioned to do such things? I would do more harm than good, me, a stranger in a big city, putting my nose in where it doesn't belong. Especially with minor children. That's unthinkable--where are their parents? If I found a minor without her parents then I would contact authorities, not try to place myself at risk, because whatever separated her from her parents, must be bad news.
I do charitable works through the organizations where I am a member. I assist in humanitarian missions in an organized way, not as a stranger on the street with a mobile phone. My life is too short to get caught up in strangers' drama, because that will definitely shorten my life, and possibly also drain my pocketbook, place marks on my criminal record, or indeed put my own self at risk of injury. The cost is too great and there is no reward for random involvement like that. As I said, it usually turns out to be a scam anyway.
I think doing stuff like this is the closest we can come to being real life superhero vigilantes.
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Growing public fruit trees, handing out food, stopping to help an injured person, all of those are illegal in some jurisdictions or can get you into serious legal trouble. That is because laws exist not just to stop bad things but also to stop good things from happening, or at least centralize how good things are done. I mean, otherwise what would happen? We’d all probably just take care of each other, and we can’t h…
That's a hyperbolic and rhetorical interpretation of what's going on with this patching.
When I briefly used my (since-returned) CRS-tier switch as a router, it kept getting popped within five minutes of me resetting it!