People running Windows 11, are you all running Sluggish Incarnate? • Hacker News Board

Re: People running Windows 11, are you all running Sluggish Incarnate?

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Post by manfre » Mon, Jul 03, 2023, 11:03 PM UTC

JohnFen wrote: post #12

runjake wrote: post #10

8700K with NVMe SSD and 32 GB RAM. My Windows 11 machine boots in seconds and is quite speedy. The only exception being the absolutely sluggish Start Menu. I do uninstall anything that doesn't need to be installed and I also police startup items with the SysInternals tools[1]. If those systems are using a spinning HDD, you're doomed. W11 is designed for SSD systems. I doubt MSFT cares about HDD installs. And with PCs…

> If those systems are using a spinning HDD, you're doomed. W11 is designed for SSD systems. Does this mean anything except "Microsoft has decided not to bother being efficient with disc accesses"?

With ssd and nvme drives being available for cheap, it's probably not worth devoting engineering resources to improve it. They still cater heavily to OEMs and many of those have stopped specing spinning disks for the boot drive.

Re: People running Windows 11, are you all running Sluggish Incarnate?

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Post by misswaterfairy » Mon, Jul 03, 2023, 11:58 PM UTC

NTLite is a pretty good tool, still in beta for Windows 11, to strip out all of the cruft Microsoft adds to 'improve' Windows before you install it. If you install NTLite onto a machine with an NTLite built image, it's host update tool will keep checking for, and removing, things Microsoft tries to sneak back in, like Edge.

Although I built my machine for performance - i9-13900K, 64 GB RAM, 2TB boot SSD - Windows is quite performant and barely touches the CPU at idle as it's not trying to process any 'value adds'.

Re: People running Windows 11, are you all running Sluggish Incarnate?

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Post by THENATHE » Tue, Jul 04, 2023, 2:05 AM UTC

JohnFen wrote: post #12

runjake wrote: post #10

8700K with NVMe SSD and 32 GB RAM. My Windows 11 machine boots in seconds and is quite speedy. The only exception being the absolutely sluggish Start Menu. I do uninstall anything that doesn't need to be installed and I also police startup items with the SysInternals tools[1]. If those systems are using a spinning HDD, you're doomed. W11 is designed for SSD systems. I doubt MSFT cares about HDD installs. And with PCs…

> If those systems are using a spinning HDD, you're doomed. W11 is designed for SSD systems. Does this mean anything except "Microsoft has decided not to bother being efficient with disc accesses"?

Yes

In games, for example, games that are designed around HDDs might pack 3 copies of the same tree so that I can be loaded at the same time as other assets in the scene with limited seek time and decompression time. SSDs, having no seek time, don’t need elements to be in adjacent locations.

Granted that is for video games, but to develop for hardware is always at the expense of every other hardware

Re: People running Windows 11, are you all running Sluggish Incarnate?

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Post by simonblack » Tue, Jul 04, 2023, 3:42 AM UTC

I do my best to stay on "Peak Windows" - Win 7

(on the rare occasion that I have to run Windows.)

Re: People running Windows 11, are you all running Sluggish Incarnate?

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Post by readyplayernull » Tue, Jul 04, 2023, 4:24 AM UTC

When I try to copy 400k files from an external HDD to the internal SSD, Windows 11 gives up after a few minutes and the paste button stops working at all. But it perfectly loads all the news on killer moms and rapists in widgets, that's OS development progress!

Re: People running Windows 11, are you all running Sluggish Incarnate?

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Post by tentacleuno » Tue, Jul 04, 2023, 8:02 AM UTC

pawelduda wrote: post #3

Reading this I get flashbacks from HDD era, perhaps this is already a case but: Put a SSD in it. Then clone the system from old to new drive. Even the cheapest ones make huge difference but if it's old machine, don't go too crazy because bandwidth could be limited by SATA2

Definitely a good suggestion. Some appropriate information to supplement your above point would be that the price of SSDs has gone way down over the past few years. A 1TB SSD can be attained for around £45 in the UK.

Re: People running Windows 11, are you all running Sluggish Incarnate?

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Post by accrual » Tue, Jul 04, 2023, 3:59 PM UTC

vintagedave wrote: post #15

I found Windows 10 rapidly gets slow, the slowest being opening the Start menu and right-clicking taskbar buttons. Possibly the menus are a new implementation: all the new menus etc in Win10 and 11 seem to open slowly or repaint slowly under Parallels. Windows 11 so far feels slightly faster in terms of responsiveness and UI. However my typical performance benchmark is to run a build of the software stack I work on,…

For the Windows 10 start menu you may benefit from disabling it's "online" component. On my system it makes opening the start menu and searching for items nearly instant:

    [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Explorer]
    "DisableSearchBoxSuggestions"=dword:00000001

While you're there, you can also reduce menu delay:

    [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Desktop]
    "MenuShowDelay"="20"

Windows 10 really benefits from tuning. I periodically run WDP and O&O ShutUp10++ to turn off various telemetry things and my system is super snappy (870 EVO, 4th Gen i7, 32GB, 1080Ti).