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FAA Requires Secondary Flight Deck Barrier

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Re: FAA Requires Secondary Flight Deck Barrier

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Maybe this will finally mean a reduction in security theater on the way to the plane. One can hope, anyway.

Probably not. The armoring of cockpit doors already stopped hijackings. I'm a bit baffled as to the benefit of a second one.

Block off access from the lavatory forward so at no point in time is there an open door to the cockpit.

Right now, when pilots use the toilet, the cockpit door is wide open.

Re: FAA Requires Secondary Flight Deck Barrier

#22
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Yeah, it’s funny what happens when the pilots need to access the head. The flight attendants move a cart to block the pathway while the cockpit door is open. I tend to agree with FAA that this is an unnecessary vulnerability if we can easily add a secondary secure door between the cabin and the galley.

How many hijackings has this resulted in, though? The existing solution seems to be good enough.

Should we for a hijacking to happen, then implement the solution?

Re: FAA Requires Secondary Flight Deck Barrier

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post #7

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Yeah, it’s funny what happens when the pilots need to access the head. The flight attendants move a cart to block the pathway while the cockpit door is open. I tend to agree with FAA that this is an unnecessary vulnerability if we can easily add a secondary secure door between the cabin and the galley.

How many hijackings has this resulted in, though? The existing solution seems to be good enough.

That is probably an argument to not require a retrofit of existing planes. It still might be a better approach if baked into new plane designs.

Re: FAA Requires Secondary Flight Deck Barrier

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It's such a ridiculous theater. If a terrorist really wanted to bring down an airplane, nothing the TSA or the airports are currently doing will stop them. There's way too many holes.

If you want to bring down the airplane in general, there are multiple things you can do, but if you want to bring it down in a specific location, you either have to somehow hack the control systems, or break into the cockpit. For example if you want to crash the airplane into a skyscraper.

That isn't a thing that happens anymore, because passengers don't tolerate anybody making trouble. This double-doors stuff is alarmist theater for a fabricated threat.

Re: FAA Requires Secondary Flight Deck Barrier

#25
post #4

Maybe this will finally mean a reduction in security theater on the way to the plane. One can hope, anyway.

Probably not. The armoring of cockpit doors already stopped hijackings. I'm a bit baffled as to the benefit of a second one.

Indeed, I’m trying to figure out what is the reasoning here? Is it just regulation for regulation sake or what?

Re: FAA Requires Secondary Flight Deck Barrier

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Not a chance. This is more security theater, meant to remind people to be afraid.

It's such a ridiculous theater. If a terrorist really wanted to bring down an airplane, nothing the TSA or the airports are currently doing will stop them. There's way too many holes.

The passengers, however, will stop them. It only used to work because the passengers thought it was a hijacking they could maybe survive. Once that hope was gone, it stopped working. Both on 9/11, and several times afterwards.

Re: FAA Requires Secondary Flight Deck Barrier

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post #4

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Probably not. The armoring of cockpit doors already stopped hijackings. I'm a bit baffled as to the benefit of a second one.

Passengers already know to not comply with hijackers. Since 9/11 everyone who has attempted something has gotten a beating and then restrained by passengers until an emergency landing could occur. I can't see an extra door helping much knowing that.

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Re: FAA Requires Secondary Flight Deck Barrier

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want to bring down the airplane in general, there are multiple things you can do, but if you want to bring it down in a specific location, you either have to somehow hack the control systems, or break into the cockpit. For example if you want to crash the airplane into a skyscraper.

That isn't a thing that happens anymore, because passengers don't tolerate anybody making trouble. This double-doors stuff is alarmist theater for a fabricated threat.

> passengers don't tolerate anybody making trouble

Examples of this? The shoe bomber is one, but the shoe bomber was solo. I don't know what a situation would look like in a 9/11 attack where you have 4-5 attackers. Esp in a widebody jet

Re: FAA Requires Secondary Flight Deck Barrier

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post #22

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How many hijackings has this resulted in, though? The existing solution seems to be good enough.

Should we for a hijacking to happen, then implement the solution?

Should we wait to see if a tiger lives under your bed before hiring a poacher to get it out?

Re: FAA Requires Secondary Flight Deck Barrier

#30
post #4

Maybe this will finally mean a reduction in security theater on the way to the plane. One can hope, anyway.

Probably not. The armoring of cockpit doors already stopped hijackings. I'm a bit baffled as to the benefit of a second one.

Has it? I've only read news stories about passengers jumping anyone that tries any thing.
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