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I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

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Re: I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

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Post by thoradam »

jsavimbi wrote: post #13

> nurture a community of real, authentic users. This is utter BS and the author knows it. The last people you want to fill the role of early adopter are the people of Facebook. Nurture, foster, incubate. That's lazy business people speak for not actually doing any work of note and spending more time networking and that all-consuming fundraising so they can actually hire someone to do the work for them and pay them sq…

> The last people you want to fill the role of early adopter are the people of Facebook.

Could you elaborate on this?

Re: I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

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Post by dekz »

melissamiranda wrote: post #20
AlexandrB wrote: post #18

I don't care about apps using my Facebook data (what little there is). I don't trust Facebook not to use data from/about apps that I use. That's why I would never use my Facebook ID to log in to anything. Actually I can come up with a better summary: I don't trust Facebook

Just curious, why don't you trust Facebook? Did you trust them at one point in time? What made you lose your trust? I'm a designer so it's interesting to me what's behind all the Facebook hate.

I don't trust Facebook. I don't even have Facebook. It may not be due to some current form of business practice (selling data) but the potentiality of all my attributed aggregated data being released/sold/made available. Doing facebook only auth only shows the company doesn't share the same privacy values as me and therefor I cannot trust them either.

Re: I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

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Post by gaius »

ithought wrote: post #12
gaius wrote: post #3

What you don't see is that Bear Grylls travels with 5 support vehicles and a helicopter and spends his nights in a hotel. I'd be very surprised if he was actually drinking piss on camera, his whole schtick is fake.

You would prefer to see a grown man die on TV? Your comment is wrong and false. He doesn't spend every night in a hotel, the shoots are between 5 to 7 days. Some he stays outside all night, the other supporting shots he stays in a hotel. He risks his life in significant (and foolish) ways every episode. Climbing and swinging on rope vines over 1,000 foot drops are not faked. Hunting by hand, cleaning and cooking anim…

What he does is dangerously misleading. Eating an animal raw knowing you are literally seconds away from a fully-equipped support vehicle if you get food poisoning is a world apart from eating an animal raw where you really are a week away from medical help. In the latter case, the balance of risk is very different and you might choose to go hungry (diarrhea -> dehydration -> death). You might as well watch Rambo for "survival skills" as that charlatan.

Re: I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

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Post by joering2 »

melissamiranda wrote: post #20
AlexandrB wrote: post #18

I don't care about apps using my Facebook data (what little there is). I don't trust Facebook not to use data from/about apps that I use. That's why I would never use my Facebook ID to log in to anything. Actually I can come up with a better summary: I don't trust Facebook

Just curious, why don't you trust Facebook? Did you trust them at one point in time? What made you lose your trust? I'm a designer so it's interesting to me what's behind all the Facebook hate.

I dont know how much of value I can bring here, but I can tell you what would make me love Facebook (love opposite to hate).

If they would charge me $5/month for an account BUT give me fair, solid and reasonable TOS that I own my data and they DONT make money off of my eyeballs and clicks under some sort of a penalty. And throw an Independent Board of Facebook Policy-makers so its not that one hacker own majority of the vote.

You can try to revert this and get your answer out of it.

Re: I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

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Post by smacktoward »

melissamiranda wrote: post #20
AlexandrB wrote: post #18

I don't care about apps using my Facebook data (what little there is). I don't trust Facebook not to use data from/about apps that I use. That's why I would never use my Facebook ID to log in to anything. Actually I can come up with a better summary: I don't trust Facebook

Just curious, why don't you trust Facebook? Did you trust them at one point in time? What made you lose your trust? I'm a designer so it's interesting to me what's behind all the Facebook hate.

I dunno, maybe this[1], or this[2], or this[3], for starters.

[1] http://www.pcworld.com/article/140182/facebooks_beacon_more_...

[2] http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2008/05/canadian-gro...

[3] http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/media-lab/social-media/14...

Re: I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

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Post by jsavimbi »

melissamiranda wrote: post #16
jsavimbi wrote: post #13

> nurture a community of real, authentic users. This is utter BS and the author knows it. The last people you want to fill the role of early adopter are the people of Facebook. Nurture, foster, incubate. That's lazy business people speak for not actually doing any work of note and spending more time networking and that all-consuming fundraising so they can actually hire someone to do the work for them and pay them sq…

Off base. Facebook login was implement to prevent a Chatroulette problem (nudity and profanity). The Internet Fuckwad theory: normal person + anonymity + audience = total fuckwad ( http://www.quora.com/What-is-the-Greater-Internet-Fuckwad-Th... ) explains why anonymity allows bad behavior. The decision had nothing to do with laziness, and everything to do with encouraging real identity on the app.

No, it's not. Facebook is a ready-made constituency for anyone smart enough to figure out an OAuth plugin. I mean, why would you waste time recruiting and curating a community when you have a population of 500 million to choose from? It's generic and any explanation otherwise betrays the true intentions of the author.

You need to recognize it when you read it.

Re: I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

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Post by melissamiranda »

dekz wrote: post #22
melissamiranda wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just curious, why don't you trust Facebook? Did you trust them at one point in time? What made you lose your trust? I'm a designer so it's interesting to me what's behind all the Facebook hate.

I don't trust Facebook. I don't even have Facebook. It may not be due to some current form of business practice (selling data) but the potentiality of all my attributed aggregated data being released/sold/made available. Doing facebook only auth only shows the company doesn't share the same privacy values as me and therefor I cannot trust them either.

Thanks for sharing this. I had no idea people felt this strongly about their data. In user testing, I picked up that people are afraid of apps publishing to their walls, or worse, friends' walls behind their back. I got that people don't trust developers with their Facebook credentials because of the abuses in the past, but what you're saying is that you don't trust Facebook itself. Thank you - now I know this going forward.

Re: I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

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Post by jsavimbi »

thoradam wrote: post #21
jsavimbi wrote: post #13

> nurture a community of real, authentic users. This is utter BS and the author knows it. The last people you want to fill the role of early adopter are the people of Facebook. Nurture, foster, incubate. That's lazy business people speak for not actually doing any work of note and spending more time networking and that all-consuming fundraising so they can actually hire someone to do the work for them and pay them sq…

> The last people you want to fill the role of early adopter are the people of Facebook. Could you elaborate on this?

Regular Facebook users who use that platform for their identity are the long tail. They're not the future.

Re: I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

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Post by melissamiranda »

joering2 wrote: post #24
melissamiranda wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just curious, why don't you trust Facebook? Did you trust them at one point in time? What made you lose your trust? I'm a designer so it's interesting to me what's behind all the Facebook hate.

I dont know how much of value I can bring here, but I can tell you what would make me love Facebook (love opposite to hate). If they would charge me $5/month for an account BUT give me fair, solid and reasonable TOS that I own my data and they DONT make money off of my eyeballs and clicks under some sort of a penalty. And throw an Independent Board of Facebook Policy-makers so its not that one hacker own majority of…

Super interesting. I wonder what would happen if Facebook would implement a subscription service that shows no ads and lets you own and control your data. It's not a bad idea- I'll see if a friend at Fb will ask Zuckerberg if they've ever considered this.
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