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I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

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Re: I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

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Post by billybob »

rhizome wrote: post #10
ghayes wrote: post #5

What always shocks me is that if you have a traditional sign-in method, people will be more likely to Facebook Auth . Well, that's been the case for me. People enjoy the ease of logging in with Facebook, but are weary of its repercussions. Also, I would love to see more sites that Facebook Auth to just asking for e-mail address permission and that's it. Just simply as a log-in tool..

I wouldn't be surprised if people think that offering only FB login means you're trying to exploit on FB specifically, but if you have self-login as well it means you're not trying to force them into it.

This is how I perceive Spotify. I can't sign up for it because I deleted my FB account. FB as the only option makes me think they must want to datamine me as hard as possible.

Re: I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

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Post by ithought »

gaius wrote: post #3

What you don't see is that Bear Grylls travels with 5 support vehicles and a helicopter and spends his nights in a hotel. I'd be very surprised if he was actually drinking piss on camera, his whole schtick is fake.

You would prefer to see a grown man die on TV?

Your comment is wrong and false. He doesn't spend every night in a hotel, the shoots are between 5 to 7 days. Some he stays outside all night, the other supporting shots he stays in a hotel.

He risks his life in significant (and foolish) ways every episode. Climbing and swinging on rope vines over 1,000 foot drops are not faked. Hunting by hand, cleaning and cooking animals, or eating them raw is not faked. Sure he has assistance and safety precautions but that's reasonable.

Re: I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

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Post by jsavimbi »

> nurture a community of real, authentic users.

This is utter BS and the author knows it. The last people you want to fill the role of early adopter are the people of Facebook. Nurture, foster, incubate. That's lazy business people speak for not actually doing any work of note and spending more time networking and that all-consuming fundraising so they can actually hire someone to do the work for them and pay them squat. You know, living the dream that made them go to B-school in the first place.

Facebook-only? That's what lazy people do.

Re: I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

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Post by FaceKicker »

billybob wrote: post #11
rhizome wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't be surprised if people think that offering only FB login means you're trying to exploit on FB specifically, but if you have self-login as well it means you're not trying to force them into it.

This is how I perceive Spotify. I can't sign up for it because I deleted my FB account. FB as the only option makes me think they must want to datamine me as hard as possible.

I don't really understand what Spotify is thinking with the FB-only login. I get that it's free advertising and data for them, but it seems like there's probably a very large percentage of potential users who are uncomfortable with spamming each one of their FB friends every time they listen to a song (not to mention "guilty pleasure songs" that people would be embarrassed to listen to knowing that everyone will see it).

Re: I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

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Post by benatkin »

gaius wrote: post #3

What you don't see is that Bear Grylls travels with 5 support vehicles and a helicopter and spends his nights in a hotel. I'd be very surprised if he was actually drinking piss on camera, his whole schtick is fake.

Irrelevant. They aren't talking about Bear Grylls the person, they're talking about Bear Grylls the meme. The meme is well-established even if its origins are based on rumors.

Re: I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

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Post by melissamiranda »

jsavimbi wrote: post #13

> nurture a community of real, authentic users. This is utter BS and the author knows it. The last people you want to fill the role of early adopter are the people of Facebook. Nurture, foster, incubate. That's lazy business people speak for not actually doing any work of note and spending more time networking and that all-consuming fundraising so they can actually hire someone to do the work for them and pay them sq…

Off base. Facebook login was implement to prevent a Chatroulette problem (nudity and profanity). The Internet Fuckwad theory: normal person + anonymity + audience = total fuckwad (http://www.quora.com/What-is-the-Greater-Internet-Fuckwad-Th...) explains why anonymity allows bad behavior.

The decision had nothing to do with laziness, and everything to do with encouraging real identity on the app.

Re: I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

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Post by smokinn »

ithought wrote: post #12
gaius wrote: post #3

What you don't see is that Bear Grylls travels with 5 support vehicles and a helicopter and spends his nights in a hotel. I'd be very surprised if he was actually drinking piss on camera, his whole schtick is fake.

You would prefer to see a grown man die on TV? Your comment is wrong and false. He doesn't spend every night in a hotel, the shoots are between 5 to 7 days. Some he stays outside all night, the other supporting shots he stays in a hotel. He risks his life in significant (and foolish) ways every episode. Climbing and swinging on rope vines over 1,000 foot drops are not faked. Hunting by hand, cleaning and cooking anim…

Just because you don't have a massive support crew doesn't mean you're going to die.

I'd recommend you check out a series called Survivorman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorman

It's a guy who goes out into the wilderness to survive with nothing but some basic gear and a couple of cameras and tripods. Less flashy but way more realistic.

Re: I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

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Post by AlexandrB »

I don't care about apps using my Facebook data (what little there is). I don't trust Facebook not to use data from/about apps that I use. That's why I would never use my Facebook ID to log in to anything.

Actually I can come up with a better summary: I don't trust Facebook

Re: I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

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Post by melissamiranda »

FaceKicker wrote: post #14
billybob wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is how I perceive Spotify. I can't sign up for it because I deleted my FB account. FB as the only option makes me think they must want to datamine me as hard as possible.

I don't really understand what Spotify is thinking with the FB-only login. I get that it's free advertising and data for them, but it seems like there's probably a very large percentage of potential users who are uncomfortable with spamming each one of their FB friends every time they listen to a song (not to mention "guilty pleasure songs" that people would be embarrassed to listen to knowing that everyone will see…

Spotify and Facebook partnership pre-dated the ticker and timeline. I don't think that at the time they decided to work together, they knew how or if Timeline/Ticker posting would be perceived as spam (Facebook didn't even know that). Probably just seemed like a good opportunity to partner with Facebook to increase visibility and virality during their US launch.

Re: I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

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Post by melissamiranda »

AlexandrB wrote: post #18

I don't care about apps using my Facebook data (what little there is). I don't trust Facebook not to use data from/about apps that I use. That's why I would never use my Facebook ID to log in to anything. Actually I can come up with a better summary: I don't trust Facebook

Just curious, why don't you trust Facebook? Did you trust them at one point in time? What made you lose your trust?

I'm a designer so it's interesting to me what's behind all the Facebook hate.

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