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Make Something Wonderful – Steve Jobs in his own words

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Re: Make Something Wonderful – Steve Jobs in his own words

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Post by systems_glitch »

oldstrangers wrote: post #13
Tepix wrote: post #10

With celebrities like Steve Jobs we have a lot of interviews, autobiographies and data available. It would be interesting to finetune a LLM using all this data to act like him. Then you add TTS with his voice and voilà: Your personal Steve Jobs personal advisor running on your GPGPU or even phone, eventually. Makes you wonder if there will be laws against doing this without permission eventually. It's kind of hard to…

Seems like pretty straightforward exploitation akin to deepfakes. A repository of his work that you can search and work with would be perfectly reasonable though (similar to https://huberman.rile.yt/ ). EDIT: Apparently it already exists.

And then someone steals the Dixie Flatline.

Re: Make Something Wonderful – Steve Jobs in his own words

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Post by latexr »

anthk wrote: post #14
mxkopy wrote: post #11

In the popular T.V. anthology American Horror Story, Steve Jobs is shown to be conversing with aliens in a UFO. I thought that was a really apt and funny depiction given how advanced Apple's tech is. Though the vision and leadership that keeps Apple on top to this day probably can't be given by extraterrestrials.

Apple tech was not advanced. Back in the day Mac OS 9 was inferior to NT and years behind Linux 2.4 in stability and security. What you know today from Apple was stolen from NeXTStep and BSD's. You are basically using a rehashed NeXT environment with the Mac GUI on top.

> What you know today from Apple was stolen from NeXTStep and BSD's.

The BSD code is open-source with a permissive license. Even if we were to consider that stealing, how could they have stolen from NeXTSTEP when they acquired it and both parties wanted exactly that?

Re: Make Something Wonderful – Steve Jobs in his own words

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Post by jimbokun »

beauHD wrote: post #15
carlycue wrote: post #9

From the outside looking in, founder CEO’s like Steve Jobs and Elon Musk are enigmas. They are able to convince the most brilliant human beings to devote their lives to them. That’s their real talent. Their belief in their mission is so strong and their confidence is unshakable. I wonder what mix of nurture and nature produces human beings like this. Out of billions of people, a handful are born this way.

> Steve Jobs and Elon Musk are enigmas Elon is listening to the music inside his own head. He has the right people working for him, and he's often mistakenly seen as the person who takes all the credit, but he's sitting on the work of countless engineers who work painstakingly to create his product range. As for Jobs, again, sitting on the work of countless designers and product people who make Apple what it is. Jobs…

But that is their genius, the ability to convince other geniuses to devote themselves to Jobs/Elon’s vision.

Re: Make Something Wonderful – Steve Jobs in his own words

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Post by jimbokun »

anthk wrote: post #12
carlycue wrote: post #9

From the outside looking in, founder CEO’s like Steve Jobs and Elon Musk are enigmas. They are able to convince the most brilliant human beings to devote their lives to them. That’s their real talent. Their belief in their mission is so strong and their confidence is unshakable. I wonder what mix of nurture and nature produces human beings like this. Out of billions of people, a handful are born this way.

Cults. Jobs woudln't be nothing without Woz and without Unix and even GNU/Linux' raise in late 90's.

And Woz would not have created Apple without Jobs, either. Probably would have just stayed at HP.

Re: Make Something Wonderful – Steve Jobs in his own words

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Post by amelius »

naremu wrote: post #3

It's amazing how much "mystique" is assigned to a man who's success can probably be at least 75% attributed to just being an enthusiast about his own products in a business world where it's usually limited to the founding members. How many CEOs, product managers and the like have been caught promoting their own brand with a "tweeted from iPhone" tagline. Probably "efficient business people", but literally won't touch…

Yeah, it seems that all Jobs did better than the rest is caring about his product rather than profits. And it seems that everybody is wondering why such a strategy could work and deliver actual profits.

Re: Make Something Wonderful – Steve Jobs in his own words

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Post by steveBK123 »

naremu wrote: post #3

It's amazing how much "mystique" is assigned to a man who's success can probably be at least 75% attributed to just being an enthusiast about his own products in a business world where it's usually limited to the founding members. How many CEOs, product managers and the like have been caught promoting their own brand with a "tweeted from iPhone" tagline. Probably "efficient business people", but literally won't touch…

In some ways this can be read as minimizing Jobs, on the other hand you can hold this up against the vast majority of todays operators/founders and find them lacking.

No one is going to care about your product more than you, so if you don't care.. then no one does. Jobs got that and lived by it.

It sounds trivial, but how many of the current FAANG founders/CEOs actually care about their product outside of Zuck? Musk maybe, not necessarily for good reason, and his attention is spread far too thin.

There's little modern analogy for the 80s-90s Jobs-Gates feud, and even Gates clearly didn't care as much given how early he exited and moved on with life.

A lot of modern tech is founded by guys who want to cash out and move onto their science projects/hobbies, and it shows.

Re: Make Something Wonderful – Steve Jobs in his own words

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Post by mturmon »

selectodude wrote: post #18
anthk wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple tech was not advanced. Back in the day Mac OS 9 was inferior to NT and years behind Linux 2.4 in stability and security. What you know today from Apple was stolen from NeXTStep and BSD's. You are basically using a rehashed NeXT environment with the Mac GUI on top.

Stolen? Do you mean purchased?

Indeed, NeXTSTEP was purchased by Apple, as a part of NeXT Inc.

NeXT Inc., in turn, was originally founded by some guy named Steve.

So yeah, not exactly stolen.

Re: Make Something Wonderful – Steve Jobs in his own words

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Post by wmeredith »

amelius wrote: post #25
naremu wrote: post #3

It's amazing how much "mystique" is assigned to a man who's success can probably be at least 75% attributed to just being an enthusiast about his own products in a business world where it's usually limited to the founding members. How many CEOs, product managers and the like have been caught promoting their own brand with a "tweeted from iPhone" tagline. Probably "efficient business people", but literally won't touch…

Yeah, it seems that all Jobs did better than the rest is caring about his product rather than profits. And it seems that everybody is wondering why such a strategy could work and deliver actual profits.

> And it seems everybody is wondering why such a strategy could work and deliver actual profits.

Survivorship bias. Jobs himself was almost Apple's undoing multiple times because he cared more about the product than profits.

Re: Make Something Wonderful – Steve Jobs in his own words

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Post by misiti3780 »

beauHD wrote: post #15
carlycue wrote: post #9

From the outside looking in, founder CEO’s like Steve Jobs and Elon Musk are enigmas. They are able to convince the most brilliant human beings to devote their lives to them. That’s their real talent. Their belief in their mission is so strong and their confidence is unshakable. I wonder what mix of nurture and nature produces human beings like this. Out of billions of people, a handful are born this way.

> Steve Jobs and Elon Musk are enigmas Elon is listening to the music inside his own head. He has the right people working for him, and he's often mistakenly seen as the person who takes all the credit, but he's sitting on the work of countless engineers who work painstakingly to create his product range. As for Jobs, again, sitting on the work of countless designers and product people who make Apple what it is. Jobs…

except lots of people that have worked directly for him and with him say the exact opposite.

here is one example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33703617

many others are documented in books about spacex and tesla

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