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Absolutely not. If it was just an accent, I'd like back all those times my father couldn't help with my Spanish homework.
New Mexico is losing a form of Spanish spoken nowhere else
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Re: New Mexico is losing a form of Spanish spoken nowhere else
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Native Spanish speaker here, giving two observations. First, it's not unusual to aspirate the "s" sound in Spanish spoken in the Caribbean countries, particularly if it precedes a consonant, hear several examples in [1]. While this is reserved for informal colloquial speech, it is not an indication of social class. Second, I realize there is a gray divide between what constitutes a dialect and what is just regional a…
> I'd expect a lot more differences, bordering on unintelligible, before I call it a dialect.
I'm not sure if I could help you with examples since it's my father's tongue, not mind. But I assure you, he found it very difficult to communicate with other Spanish speakers in California. However, he did have a much easier time talking with someone that grew up in the Philippines!
I do remember very distinctly that my dad did not know the word "dormir" or "to sleep" and the word he had started with "ad" but I don't remember it.
> but for now, it just sounds like some peculiar word choices.
Remember, the area is changing. The Spanish that's being spoken in New Mexico is altering to match the wider world. If you want older dialect, you really do have to find people in their 50's or older.
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#23Nowhere else... just the whole South of Spain. At least the aspiration.
>words drawn from English and languages indigenous to North America.
>thought to be Tlaxcalan Indians, who spoke Náhuatl, the lingua franca of the Aztec Empire.
Why would a dialect of Spanish in southern Spain have indigenous native American words?
Re: New Mexico is losing a form of Spanish spoken nowhere else
#24This Spanish has similarities with the one used in some areas of Chihuahua Mexico (south of New Mexico) specially at the Sierra Madre Occidental mountains. It makes sense since many original Hispanic New Mexican families have consanguinity with old Chihuahua families.
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#25This is my family. Sadly, the language dies with my generation. My father speaks this dialect of Spanish... or at least, he used to. We moved to Northern California when I was very little. But, if we had stayed in New Mexico, my cousins don't speak it either. I asked Dad why he didn't teach me. "What would I do? Speak it to myself?" I took Spanish in high school. My father really couldn't help me, some of the basic p…
> My father speaks this dialect of Spanish... or at least, he used to. We moved to Northern California when I was very little. But, if we had stayed in New Mexico, my cousins don't speak it either. I asked Dad why he didn't teach me. "What would I do? Speak it to myself?"
I have the same reasoning. I speak a language that is not necessary anymore even in the place my parents came from, since the national language and English are what official business is done in.
My grandparents taught me the language, but none of my cousins have a similar grasp of the language. I still speak it with the older generations in my family, but they do not live near me to interact often enough with my kids, so I would effectively be teaching them a language they will have no use for by the time they are adults.
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The lowest of the low? Based on consonant pronunciation? How can you extract a value judgment from how someone speaks?
> How can you extract a value judgment from how someone speaks?
I mean it’s not exactly uncommon. I have the luck of having a southern U.S. accent and I’ve been told (mostly by people from outside the US in fairness) that they were surprised I wasn’t a raging racist.
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's a bit of "accentism" in Spain. Speaking with a southern accent will (wrongly) mark you as "lazy", "uncultured" or "unsophisticated" to some people. I was born in Castile, so I usually speak "accentless" standard Spanish, but my mother comes from Extremadura, just a couple hours drive to the south, and when I speak to her I involuntarily switch to the extremaduran accent. I don't notice it but other people hea…
I have never heard of Castilian Spanish referred to as "accentless" before. The lisp always sounds odd to me. That and vosotros. The vast majority of Spanish speakers worldwide use neither.
Of course it's just another variety, but it's the one equivalent to the Received Pronunciation or "BBC English". People also tend to consider it the "original" one because, well... the language started in Castile.
Up until a couple decades ago, if you wanted to have a career on national TV, radio or as an actor, toning down any other accent and switching to Castilian was a requirement, or at least would help a lot. Nowadays not so much, but still happens enough that in Spain a Castilian accent is perceived as "not having one".
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Absolutely not. If it was just an accent, I'd like back all those times my father couldn't help with my Spanish homework.
It’s like how Portuguese is just a Spanish with a heavy accent. And Italian is just accented Latin.
There are recognizable words but the meanings are entirely different - English between America and Australia used to be this way (we since have crushed Australia with Hollywood so hard that it’s now closer enough).
Re: New Mexico is losing a form of Spanish spoken nowhere else
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
Native Spanish speaker here, giving two observations. First, it's not unusual to aspirate the "s" sound in Spanish spoken in the Caribbean countries, particularly if it precedes a consonant, hear several examples in [1]. While this is reserved for informal colloquial speech, it is not an indication of social class. Second, I realize there is a gray divide between what constitutes a dialect and what is just regional a…
> I'd expect a lot more differences, bordering on unintelligible, before I call it a dialect. I'm not sure if I could help you with examples since it's my father's tongue, not mind. But I assure you, he found it very difficult to communicate with other Spanish speakers in California. However, he did have a much easier time talking with someone that grew up in the Philippines! I do remember very distinctly that my dad…
> However, he did have a much easier time talking with someone that grew up in the Philippines!
Who presumably spoke https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chavacano (a dialect with a similar origin, though of course different geography & local influences)
Or maybe a dialect I've never heard of even, the Philippines is an incredibly linguistically diverse area. A woman I know from the Philippines grew up speaking 5 languages.