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New Mexico is losing a form of Spanish spoken nowhere else

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The lowest of the low? Based on consonant pronunciation? How can you extract a value judgment from how someone speaks?

Sadly that's what humans do and have done since forever and it is an important driving factor in language evolution

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The lowest of the low? Based on consonant pronunciation? How can you extract a value judgment from how someone speaks?

Via a class system. US movies imply you have the same thing over there.

Yes. It's not unlike how people assume someone with a rural/southern US accent is dumb.

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The lowest of the low? Based on consonant pronunciation? How can you extract a value judgment from how someone speaks?

There's a bit of "accentism" in Spain. Speaking with a southern accent will (wrongly) mark you as "lazy", "uncultured" or "unsophisticated" to some people.

I was born in Castile, so I usually speak "accentless" standard Spanish, but my mother comes from Extremadura, just a couple hours drive to the south, and when I speak to her I involuntarily switch to the extremaduran accent. I don't notice it but other people hearing me for the first time are shocked by the sudden switch.

Extremaduran accent has the same aspirated x and s mentioned in the article, so for "This is Extremadura" I'll tend to say "Ehto é Ehtremaura" to my mother and "Esto es Extremadura" to other people. Another curiosity is that many of the original "conquistadores" (Cortés, Pizarro) hailed from Extremadura.

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The lowest of the low? Based on consonant pronunciation? How can you extract a value judgment from how someone speaks?

It's using pronunciation to infer regional/class origins, and it's widespread in most languages. See for example southern accents in American English, which can be associated with rednecks.
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