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9-year-old girl wanted to save her goat from slaughter. Then came the warrant

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Re: 9-year-old girl wanted to save her goat from slaughter. Then came the warrant

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Post by alcherry »

Aperocky wrote: post #3
iab wrote: post #2

> Cedar had been purchased in April 2022 by Long for her 9-year-old daughter > “She loved him as a family pet,” the lawsuit says. > The family entered Cedar into the Shasta District Fair’s junior livestock auction on June 24, 2022,

> Long wrote that she had communicated with Dahle’s office, which did not object to the goat being saved from slaughter. > “I will pay you back for the goat and any other expenses I caused,” Long wrote. “I would like to ask for your support in finding a solution.” The buyer was fine with the withdrawal of the sale, however the middleman got angry: > “As a mother I am not unsympathetic regarding your daughter and her…

among the lessons of responsibility should be you are responsible for your own ethics and your own morals and there should be lines that if you believe in those lines that you do not cross- no matter what the law says. for example all of the abolitionists and those helping slaves escape through the underground railroad or breaking the law. having said that they are still responsible. they held that their responsibility was to a greater ethics than that which is simply legal especially as the law is changeable. this child learned a good lesson in that lesson is that sometimes you do what is right in your heart rather than what the law says to do and she learned that her parents have her back

Re: 9-year-old girl wanted to save her goat from slaughter. Then came the warrant

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Post by hombre_fatal »

salad-tycoon wrote: post #18
oefnak wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like a good way to raise vegans.

We raise our own chickens for meat, my young kids help. They eat meat. I don’t understand why you think lovingly care and raising your own meat would make you a vegan? We use these moments to teach respect and gratefulness even for animals we are about to slaughter, but not in a pagan pantheistic way. Kids get it pretty quickly frankly. They have much less “baggage” and No Agenda.

You’re certainly right. More provocatively, raising children on a plantation worked by slaves doesn’t make them abolitionists either. It might even effectively indoctrinate them against it since they can say how well they treated and how much respect they had for the slaves.

Being raised within something can put you at a worse position to scrutinize it.

Re: 9-year-old girl wanted to save her goat from slaughter. Then came the warrant

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Post by Aperocky »

hollandays wrote: post #19

To me, this is the most important claim in the lawsuit: > From there, the goat was delivered to unnamed individuals at the fair “for slaughter/destruction” even though the warrant required them to hold the goat for a court hearing to determine its lawful owner, the lawsuit says. There was a property dispute, and the court issued a warrant to recover the property and hold it until a court hearing to decide ownership,…

The fair seemed to be on a power trip.

They used all of their power to prevent a mutually agreed reversal of the transaction, and then stepped all over other rules that they didn't want to follow.

I generally cannot comprehend why this happen - it doesn't even benefit the fair even if this went unreported and under the radar. It's being evil for evil's sake and things that I thought made Marvel movies unwatchable because the bad guys don't make sense doing what they did.

Re: 9-year-old girl wanted to save her goat from slaughter. Then came the warrant

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Post by hollandays »

Aperocky wrote: post #23
hollandays wrote: post #19

To me, this is the most important claim in the lawsuit: > From there, the goat was delivered to unnamed individuals at the fair “for slaughter/destruction” even though the warrant required them to hold the goat for a court hearing to determine its lawful owner, the lawsuit says. There was a property dispute, and the court issued a warrant to recover the property and hold it until a court hearing to decide ownership,…

The fair seemed to be on a power trip. They used all of their power to prevent a mutually agreed reversal of the transaction, and then stepped all over other rules that they didn't want to follow. I generally cannot comprehend why this happen - it doesn't even benefit the fair even if this went unreported and under the radar. It's being evil for evil's sake and things that I thought made Marvel movies unwatchable bec…

The fact that the fair didn't wait for the hearing or sue the contestant comes across like they knew they didn't own it. But the fact that they had a "no exceptions" rule instead of structuring the auction so that they're the legal buyer of the animal and the winner buys the meat from them comes across like they're stupid.

Re: 9-year-old girl wanted to save her goat from slaughter. Then came the warrant

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Post by ops »

Aperocky wrote: post #17
ops wrote: post #4

She sold livestock at auction, and then stole the livestock back. The police took the livestock back to the auction, and it got barbecued.

The buyer agreed to the reversed transaction, the middleman should just shut up.

Where is the proof that the buyer agreed to reverse the transaction? If it were true, there was no reason to commit theft, as the buyer chooses what happens to the goat (not the middleman).

And of course, if they were to just shut up, that would encourage other goat thieves.

Re: 9-year-old girl wanted to save her goat from slaughter. Then came the warrant

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Post by ops »

hollandays wrote: post #19

To me, this is the most important claim in the lawsuit: > From there, the goat was delivered to unnamed individuals at the fair “for slaughter/destruction” even though the warrant required them to hold the goat for a court hearing to determine its lawful owner, the lawsuit says. There was a property dispute, and the court issued a warrant to recover the property and hold it until a court hearing to decide ownership,…

To me, the most important thing here isn't the lawsuit, or the goat theft, or the woman's or fair's actions at all - it's how journalism can be used to manipulate smart people into thinking one thing is true, when it's not, and what that means in a post-GPT world.

I think this type of journalism has been holding us back, as a society, and we now have the tools to fix it (or make it worse).

Re: 9-year-old girl wanted to save her goat from slaughter. Then came the warrant

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Post by hollandays »

ops wrote: post #26
hollandays wrote: post #19

To me, this is the most important claim in the lawsuit: > From there, the goat was delivered to unnamed individuals at the fair “for slaughter/destruction” even though the warrant required them to hold the goat for a court hearing to determine its lawful owner, the lawsuit says. There was a property dispute, and the court issued a warrant to recover the property and hold it until a court hearing to decide ownership,…

To me, the most important thing here isn't the lawsuit, or the goat theft, or the woman's or fair's actions at all - it's how journalism can be used to manipulate smart people into thinking one thing is true, when it's not, and what that means in a post-GPT world. I think this type of journalism has been holding us back, as a society, and we now have the tools to fix it (or make it worse).

How is this article manipulative or related to ChatGPT?

Re: 9-year-old girl wanted to save her goat from slaughter. Then came the warrant

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Post by ops »

hollandays wrote: post #27
ops wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me, the most important thing here isn't the lawsuit, or the goat theft, or the woman's or fair's actions at all - it's how journalism can be used to manipulate smart people into thinking one thing is true, when it's not, and what that means in a post-GPT world. I think this type of journalism has been holding us back, as a society, and we now have the tools to fix it (or make it worse).

How is this article manipulative or related to ChatGPT?

I said GPT, not ChatGPT. But you could give ChatGPT the article, and ask it how it’s manipulative. For example, ask it whether or not the article states that there was an agreement between the buyer and the woman to sell the goat back (something that several people here have said with confidence).

I suspect GPT could write a longer, more comprehensive article (given all of the same information the journalist had access to)… and it would lead to completely different conclusions.

Re: 9-year-old girl wanted to save her goat from slaughter. Then came the warrant

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Post by [deleted] »

Aperocky wrote: post #3
iab wrote: post #2

> Cedar had been purchased in April 2022 by Long for her 9-year-old daughter > “She loved him as a family pet,” the lawsuit says. > The family entered Cedar into the Shasta District Fair’s junior livestock auction on June 24, 2022,

> Long wrote that she had communicated with Dahle’s office, which did not object to the goat being saved from slaughter. > “I will pay you back for the goat and any other expenses I caused,” Long wrote. “I would like to ask for your support in finding a solution.” The buyer was fine with the withdrawal of the sale, however the middleman got angry: > “As a mother I am not unsympathetic regarding your daughter and her…

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Re: 9-year-old girl wanted to save her goat from slaughter. Then came the warrant

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Post by xvector »

alcherry wrote: post #20
Aperocky wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Long wrote that she had communicated with Dahle’s office, which did not object to the goat being saved from slaughter. > “I will pay you back for the goat and any other expenses I caused,” Long wrote. “I would like to ask for your support in finding a solution.” The buyer was fine with the withdrawal of the sale, however the middleman got angry: > “As a mother I am not unsympathetic regarding your daughter and her…

https://amp.sacbee.com/news/local/article273127820.html The fair should look terrible, along with the Sheriffs. The fair Director stated that she needed to be sure that this child learned an important life lesson. her parents also taught this child a lesson. The lesson is that you do not hide your ethics behind the law. The law is mutable, you need to have lines in the sand that are not. civil disobedience in the fac…

People like Melanie Silva, business director of Shasta District Fair, from Shasta County, in Anderson, California don't understand this.

In her words[1], the slaughter of this girl's pet was justified because it created

> a negative experience for the fairgrounds as this has been all over Facebook and Instagram

In other words, her feelings were hurt because her shenanigans were exposed to the public, and she wanted to take revenge by killing this little girl's pet.

Horrible human beings like this cannot be reasoned with.

[1]: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-03-30/goat-sla...

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