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Signal would 'walk' from UK if Online Safety Bill undermined encryption

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Re: Signal would 'walk' from UK if Online Safety Bill undermined encryption

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Boris Johnson is shaking at the prospect of "signal" leaving the UK. Isn't that a toothpaste?

He doesn't care about the billions they lose because of Brexit either, or about all the UK expats that now need to leave their cosy retirement homes in Spain and France. Boris cares mostly about Boris. Some people do care though, and most of those people vote. Anyway, Boris doesn't matter anymore.

>Some people do care though, and most of those people vote.

Yes... they voted brexit :')

Re: Signal would 'walk' from UK if Online Safety Bill undermined encryption

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think the bill will pass in its current form. Can't see it happening.

I don't know, man. After Brexit, it feels anything can happen.

Lots of bills people thought would never pass have.

The recent legislation undermining of protests being one of them.

I can see it happening too.

Re: Signal would 'walk' from UK if Online Safety Bill undermined encryption

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incredible if UK were to ban Signal, but I guess national sovereignty and security are always going to be higher priorities for the state than user sentiment

Sovereignty on Internet in the Internet age is a nonsense; Internet is not the possession of a government, participating to the Internet at country level (dot uk) is voluntary, if UK wants to get out of Internet as a mesh of interconnected computer networks then it is free to go back to the Dark Ages.

Security is another practical nonsense. You don't need to use Signal to encrypt things, anonymous or encrypted communications existed since the dawn of times and will continue to exist no matter what the governments want to do. Criminals will always be able to use one time pad encryption at will, so raping everyone's rights to communication and privacy in the name of security and sovereignty is just a false pretext.

Re: Signal would 'walk' from UK if Online Safety Bill undermined encryption

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> The government, and prominent child protection charities have long argued that encryption hinders efforts to combat online child abuse - which they say is a growing problem. So take using a sledgehammer to crack a nut. What they should be doing, is rather then increase the risk of for the majority who use encryption for valid reasons (privacy, not nefarious), is invest in services to allow individuals to gain help,…

Make no mistake: the Online Safety Bill has absolutely nothing to do with protecting children. End-to-end encryption is the first line of defence against government approved mass surveillance. If it falls, the rest will follow. It will only be a short period until the operation is expanded under the guise of additional "protections" against the citizens.

Re: Signal would 'walk' from UK if Online Safety Bill undermined encryption

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> The government, and prominent child protection charities have long argued that encryption hinders efforts to combat online child abuse - which they say is a growing problem. So take using a sledgehammer to crack a nut. What they should be doing, is rather then increase the risk of for the majority who use encryption for valid reasons (privacy, not nefarious), is invest in services to allow individuals to gain help,…

> So take using a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

It is worse. Encryption does protect children instead of endangering them. So these "charities" aren't even doing their job.

Re: Signal would 'walk' from UK if Online Safety Bill undermined encryption

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incredible if UK were to ban Signal, but I guess national sovereignty and security are always going to be higher priorities for the state than user sentiment

Sovereignty on Internet in the Internet age is a nonsense; Internet is not the possession of a government, participating to the Internet at country level (dot uk) is voluntary, if UK wants to get out of Internet as a mesh of interconnected computer networks then it is free to go back to the Dark Ages. Security is another practical nonsense. You don't need to use Signal to encrypt things, anonymous or encrypted commun…

>Sovereignty on Internet in the Internet age is a nonsense; Internet is not the possession of a government,

The digital world of the internet exists within physical, analog metal boxes that reside within and thusly are subject to the legal jurisdictions of countries.

Re: Signal would 'walk' from UK if Online Safety Bill undermined encryption

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incredible if UK were to ban Signal, but I guess national sovereignty and security are always going to be higher priorities for the state than user sentiment

I don't think the bill will pass in its current form. Can't see it happening.

When the right wing, small state, less regulation party is obsessed with implementing this sort of policy - who exactly is going to stop them?

Re: Signal would 'walk' from UK if Online Safety Bill undermined encryption

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Isn't this situation the entire purpose of Signal..? Don't they already operate in the most authoritarian countries in the world? I don't understand why they would walk.

They operate where this is possible; if, for example, Signal operates in North Korea it is not because they have offices there, but because some people in NK can get a client and connect. If Signal would have offices in NK, it is guaranteed they will get to jail, not passing Go and not collecting 200, so Signal is not really operating in the countries you mentioned but users can utilize Signal there.

In UK if Signal has any offices or employees, the UK government can force Signal to either put a backdoor in the product or move out of the country. The second choice is what Signal said it will do, it makes perfect sense - leave instead of bend over.

Re: Signal would 'walk' from UK if Online Safety Bill undermined encryption

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I suspect if they did, the funding for the project might see a cut. Russians (gov) would get annoyed since apparently they have broken or bypassed Signal's encryption. Brits would get annoyed because they can't use something they've funded.

> Russians (gov) would get annoyed since apparently they have broken or bypassed Signal's encryption.

Got a source for that?

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