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Kids can't use computers and this is why it should worry you (2013)

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Re: Kids can't use computers and this is why it should worry you (2013)

#22
It's a poor article that defines "use computers" as meaning "could work for the IT dept".

> They click 'OK' in dialogue boxes without reading the message. They choose passwords like qwerty1234. They shut-down by holding in the power button until the monitor goes black. They'll leave themselves logged in on a computer and walk out of the room. If a program is unresponsive, they'll click the same button repeatedly until it crashes altogether.

I would say these are all things we can expect and the real problem is that people can't make computers usable.

  - no undo or dialog boxes that disappear with messages you can't later relay to IT is dumb
  - password manager should be included with OS/browser, only remember main password
  - pressing the power button should sleep/suspend.
    And journaling filesystems are a thing, as is autosave so won't lose much
  - sensible defaults for screen/password timeouts
So yes, the problem is between the keyboard and chair: the programmer's.

Re: Kids can't use computers and this is why it should worry you (2013)

#24

> So since 2000 schools have been teaching students Microsoft skills (Adobe skills were introduced a little later). My most recent required computer class was indeed learning how to use Microsoft Office in high school in 2016. That's it, all the computer education that students required. Even in middle school we were learning how to use office software. Insane that schools STILL just teach office software and not com…

Not everyone needs to be a programmer, but pretty much any desk job benefits from knowing a basic office suite. Colleges even say don't list Microsoft office as a skill because it's table stakes at this point and makes it look like you're trying to fill space.

Doesn't have to be Microsoft office, but pretty much all the other offerings are copies with small differences. Some people are adamant those differences meaningfully make them better, but regardless if you know the basics of office you can easily transition to any of the other offerings.

Re: Kids can't use computers and this is why it should worry you (2013)

#26
I think most people will never understand the 'deep technical stuff', and probably never will. People have its priorities. Small things like configuring wifi, using linux, etc, will always develop with time. Once most people cannot do or never learn about the simplest thing at the time, that is the real problem. We can't force people to have all the knowledge of the technician.

Re: Kids can't use computers and this is why it should worry you (2013)

#27

> So since 2000 schools have been teaching students Microsoft skills (Adobe skills were introduced a little later). My most recent required computer class was indeed learning how to use Microsoft Office in high school in 2016. That's it, all the computer education that students required. Even in middle school we were learning how to use office software. Insane that schools STILL just teach office software and not com…

Not everyone needs to be a programmer, but pretty much any desk job benefits from knowing a basic office suite. Colleges even say don't list Microsoft office as a skill because it's table stakes at this point and makes it look like you're trying to fill space. Doesn't have to be Microsoft office, but pretty much all the other offerings are copies with small differences. Some people are adamant those differences meani…

Not everyone needs to be a writer or a mathematician, but children still should learn the basics of literature and math to improve generic reasoning skills that can be transferred to the rest of their life.

Programming is a skill just like any other, and learning it helps in everything.

Re: Kids can't use computers and this is why it should worry you (2013)

#28

Wow it took a lot of effort to get through this one. The entire interaction with the other teacher was incredibly cringeworthily reported. I can't imagine anyone writing in this tone in 2023 and expecting a positive reaction from readers.

Yeah, very telling that he felt the need to resort to the old trope of "women don't want anything to do with stinky computer geeks." I'm shocked to see someone was writing like this even ten years ago. I would feel so gross knowing that this guy was working in the same building as me.

Re: Kids can't use computers and this is why it should worry you (2013)

#30
I liked most of the article. But minor nit pick:

> Without reference to Wikipedia, can you tell me what the difference is between The Internet, The World Wide Web, a web-browser and a search engine?

I don't think the difference between `Internet` and `The World Wide Web` is really a good measure of anything. World wide web is an archaic term that I haven't seen used anywhere

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