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Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by bananapear » Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 11:41 AM UTC

DoneWithAllThat wrote: post #18

albertopv wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chinese people would see no one with masks, so they could question their government policy.

While I’ve no doubt of the post’s veracity, your comment isn’t accurate. Mask wearing isn’t common in a lot of China specifically because of their zero covid policy. Either there’s no positive tests in your area so there’s no reason to wear masks, or there are positive tests and everyone’s locked inside their homes. It varies though. I watch a lot of Chinese city walking videos and for example in Beijing lots of peop…

Might not be 100% accurate but the BBC are reporting that it is due to the lack of mask wearing

Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by i67vw3 » Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 11:41 AM UTC

bananapear wrote: post #14

What is the CCP’s exit strategy? Could they feasibly claim to have eradicated covid?

Even without vaccines, the current covid strain is not even that harmful.

If they had done complete lockdown during 1st wave or during Delta wave it was one thing (which they already did at that time and majority of world). But after 2 years it is something else.

There literally is a world cup happening half around the world, with maskless people and stadiums filled to the brim.

I have read online they are doing this nonsense due to various factions within CCP fighting with each other. This 'zero-covid' stuff as far as I know first started in Shanghai, which I heard the Shanghai CCP faction was fighting against the Xi faction. (Just some rumour I read on internet, no idea if it is true.)

Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by yreg » Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 11:41 AM UTC

hanoz wrote: post #19

What is going on with China's continuing zero-covid policy? Either it's the most expensive face saving exercise the world has ever seen, or they know something about it that we don't.

The problem is that once they lift it up / fail to contain an outbreak, it will be a devastating one since their population isn't immunized.

Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by bananapear » Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 11:42 AM UTC

hanoz wrote: post #19

What is going on with China's continuing zero-covid policy? Either it's the most expensive face saving exercise the world has ever seen, or they know something about it that we don't.

They also provided the genetic sequencing used to create the mRNA vaccines and then… didn’t use them.

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Post by pjc50 » Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 11:42 AM UTC

hanoz wrote: post #19

What is going on with China's continuing zero-covid policy? Either it's the most expensive face saving exercise the world has ever seen, or they know something about it that we don't.

There's undoubtedly a lot of face saving going on, but that's because Sinovax isn't as effective as the Western vaccines. And quite a lot of the elderly aren't vaccinated at all. So they can't liberalize without the death rate skyrocketing. Maybe that would be more acceptable now? Difficult for the Chinese people to discuss.

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Post by exitb » Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 11:45 AM UTC

xwolfi wrote: post #10

_vbnz wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's bizarre they're still pushing zero-covid so much, even without vaccines, Covid is dangerous but it's not apocalyptic.

There are two forces colliding here in China. On one hand people are absolutely fed up with barriers everywhere, nose tests, mandatory masks and being locked down at home. On the other hand, 3 years of constant propaganda made them utterly terrified of Covid: if restriction stop tmr, they will crash the economy by doing nothing at all anymore for fear of getting the virus. It s easy for you to say it s not apocalypti…

So ultimately, the Chinese people are at fault, because they actually demand restrictions? But other Chinese people demand the opposite? Are they like a vocal minority? The situation is very confusing looking from the outside.

Couldn't the scared ones be shown that viruses tend to get more contagious and less dangerous over time?

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Post by perihelions » Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 11:45 AM UTC

Markoff wrote: post #13

I find much more interesting how Twitter is now flooded with accounts which are suddenly posting NSFW escort tweets containing Chinese city names in Chinese characters and one account is able to post 3000 tweets in 24 hours to flood search results with nonsense. https://twitter.com/dong_mengyu/status/1596749168462401536

That's a state-sponsored attack.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/11/27/twitter...

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Post by yreg » Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 11:45 AM UTC

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #20

substation13 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see two options: 1. Figure out a working vaccine of their own (or maybe just license and rebrand a western one) 2. Become increasingly authoritarian - like a high-tech North Korea

China already has several highly effective vaccines. The problem is that a significant fraction of elderly people don't want to get vaccinated. Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore had the exact same problem with vaccine hesitancy among the elderly. It's a cultural thing.

Then the option would be to make the vaccination mandatory. CCP doesn't like to do unpopular things, but the lockdowns are not popular either.

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 11:45 AM UTC

yreg wrote: post #23

hanoz wrote: post #19

What is going on with China's continuing zero-covid policy? Either it's the most expensive face saving exercise the world has ever seen, or they know something about it that we don't.

The problem is that once they lift it up / fail to contain an outbreak, it will be a devastating one since their population isn't immunized.

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Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by bananapear » Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 11:45 AM UTC

pjc50 wrote: post #25

hanoz wrote: post #19

What is going on with China's continuing zero-covid policy? Either it's the most expensive face saving exercise the world has ever seen, or they know something about it that we don't.

There's undoubtedly a lot of face saving going on, but that's because Sinovax isn't as effective as the Western vaccines. And quite a lot of the elderly aren't vaccinated at all. So they can't liberalize without the death rate skyrocketing. Maybe that would be more acceptable now? Difficult for the Chinese people to discuss.

Interesting that whilst they’re willing to violate human rights in a number of ways, they’re not prepared to force people to take the vaccine or e.g. take away employment for refusing.

It’s probably easier that way to spin the situation as “your fault for not taking it”.