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Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter

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Re: Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter

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> closer inspection reveals that the underlying technology will not be purely blockchain-based. “I’m confident in our decision not to put social media content on a blockchain,” tweeted Bluesky CEO Jay Graber. “It’s blockchain independent and optional."

What does it mean to be blockchain optional?

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I think there are two interesting sides to this here: First is that essentially a key part of this strategy is ideological, not pragmatic. Centralization came out of pragmatism, not ideology. It seems hard for me to believe that deliberately choosing the less efficient solution is a good idea for a start up. The second is that we seem to be seeing a lot of VC brain here. By that I mean, I can scream at a VC "OMG THER…

> Centralization came out of pragmatism

Sort of? Centralization is more profitable and easier than building new open internet protocols and formats.

Re: Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the speech is illegal in whatever jurisdictions apply, then remove it; otherwise, it should stay. Yes, even trolling and slurs. If a platform emulating the public square goes beyond what is legal, it ceases to be a neutral platform and inevitably becomes a vehicle for propaganda. I realize that means propaganda could be spread by the users, but I'd rather than than the platform and users spreading it. The real que…

Spam is 100% legal in all jurisdictions, so your legal free speech plan sounds like a total hellscape.

Probably not remotely practical, but I wonder what an online equivalent to the "do not call" list would look like.

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spam is 100% legal in all jurisdictions, so your legal free speech plan sounds like a total hellscape.

Probably not remotely practical, but I wonder what an online equivalent to the "do not call" list would look like.

After it went through congress? Something like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAN-SPAM_Act_of_2003

Re: Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter

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(EDIT: No it's not) This is the scuttlebutt protocol to anyone wondering. First mentioned on HN many years ago. I'm very into this stuff. I was into scuttlebutt long before bluesky was announced even. But the problem I see is that with ActivityPub I already have a whole ecosystem of software and libraries, while with ssbc I have no idea where to even start. When ssbc was first announced I tried using it briefly but i…

> This is the scuttlebutt protocol to anyone wondering. Bluesky is not related to secure scuttlebutt, they are working on a new protocol currently called "AT Protocol". https://atproto.com ATP is mainly federated so a bit closer to mastodon/matrix than SSB which is quite a bit more decentralized iirc. Do check out their docs, it's a work in progress but should give you a better insight to what they're doing.

I stand corrected. I thought I read at some point that bluesky was SSB.

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No thanks. I'm done with Jack and I'm done with Elon. Mastodon is great and it's already starting to feel like home. Don't need anymore drama from these reckless people.

Mastodon is only free of issues because the masses haven't found it yet. Give it a few years and it'll be the same as or worse than twitter, given Mastodon's lack of moderation.

Mastodon doesn't have a lack of moderation, in fact, it's architecture tends to segregate people out into instances by interest, making it easy to moderate as long as you keep your instance small (most of the really bad stuff will be on a handful of instances that allow it, so you can just block them and only have to deal with the minor problems on your own instance). Mastodon also tends to have one or more moderators per instance, so it probably has a lot more people with moderation privileges than a big centralized company, which can only afford to hire so many people in the call center to handle moderation.

Re: Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter

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I think there are two interesting sides to this here: First is that essentially a key part of this strategy is ideological, not pragmatic. Centralization came out of pragmatism, not ideology. It seems hard for me to believe that deliberately choosing the less efficient solution is a good idea for a start up. The second is that we seem to be seeing a lot of VC brain here. By that I mean, I can scream at a VC "OMG THER…

> how do you balance speech, censorship and moderation?

Decentralization does help a lot here. The X, Y and Z server owners don’t have to agree or coordinate. The fact that they will disagree on their policies is part of the answer. There won’t be a one-size-fits-all policy. Different servers will try different things and ideas will be shared about what works and what doesn’t.

Z server can choose to allow saying mean things and X and Y server can block and ignore posts from Z.

Some servers may have a political bias one way or the other and individuals can choose which to join and pay attention to.

Re: Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter

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post #7

No thanks. I'm done with Jack and I'm done with Elon. Mastodon is great and it's already starting to feel like home. Don't need anymore drama from these reckless people.

Mastodon is only free of issues because the masses haven't found it yet. Give it a few years and it'll be the same as or worse than twitter, given Mastodon's lack of moderation.

this is written as if you don't understand federated services.

How will it be the same or worse? Which member of it?

Mastodon is simply a social federation enabling software; it's similarly abstract to refer to Twitter's software infrastructure.

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