UK is welcome to join team USA. New state?
I think they'll need to get in line behind Puerto Rico and some other territories first for a while. A long while...
RejoinEU – About UK to rejoin EU possibility (aka Reverse Brexit)
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Re: RejoinEU – About UK to rejoin EU possibility (aka Reverse Brexit)
#22There is one snag in that plan. EU doesnt want UK back, at lest not for another 5-10 years.
I don't think anyone in the EU is fundamentally against, but it seems reasonable to be worried about their 'staying power'. Nobody wants to go through entry and exit dances every few years. Also, it would be grand if British representatives would start showing up for meetings. Them being relatively uninvolved must have contributed to their sense of EU being unmanageable. Guess what: you gotta participate to exercise influence (and understand what's going on).
Re: RejoinEU – About UK to rejoin EU possibility (aka Reverse Brexit)
#23You can come back if you like, but no more special treatment and no exceptions for you anymore. And you would probably need to give up the pound as well. And change your driving direction from left to right.
hopefully this will be a requirement
and as a result: it will never, ever happen
Re: RejoinEU – About UK to rejoin EU possibility (aka Reverse Brexit)
#24There is one snag in that plan. EU doesnt want UK back, at lest not for another 5-10 years.
I don't agree. I think IF UK says they want to get back into EU they'll say YES almost instantly. (ok, maybe a covenant or two... Like UK having to accept the euro, for example). But, from my POV, UK is just too desirable and powerful. (I don't belong to UK, by the way)
>> UK is just too desirable and powerful.
That's why the UK had a particularly good deal in the EU and would have to accept a worse one to get back in if it were even possible.
You have to consider that the EU is not monolithic. The UK that pushed to get southern and eastern countries into the union to grow the trade power of the customs union. France and some other EU countries probably would have preferred a more "core Europe" of countries of similar wealth and histories.
France gains in many ways if the UK stays out. It becomes the only member that can really project military power. France and the UK were often at odds about what the EU should be.
Re: RejoinEU – About UK to rejoin EU possibility (aka Reverse Brexit)
#25It's not going to happen. I'd love the UK to rejoin the EU but there isn't the political will to do, either here or in the EU27. Remember too it only takes any one of the remaining constituent nations to veto any membership consideration - and that's only after a process of political wrangling which can take a decade or more. If international treaties are famous for anything, it's that they are formed at glacial pace.
I'm also doubtful the public will is there in the UK, either. I wish I could say with confidence that if we had another referendum tomorrow on whether to rejoin or stay out, rejoin would comfortably win but I can't. It's one of those things which seems so obvious if you support one side, you just can't see how the other can possibly take the position they do.
In respect of the site, it's not going to persuade anyone who was either in favour of Brexit or on the fence, is it? It's clearly designed to preach to the choir. But partisanship and ideological bubbles is how we ended up in such a mess in the first place. If any campaign is serious about rejoining, they need to accept two things, IMO - first, that it's a generational cause, not something which will be achieved within a few years, and second, that any campaign will only succeed by making concessions with the EU and the pro-Brexit faction among the public, by understanding them and by forming a new relationship. To call this task gargantuan is an understatement.
Re: RejoinEU – About UK to rejoin EU possibility (aka Reverse Brexit)
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't agree. I think IF UK says they want to get back into EU they'll say YES almost instantly. (ok, maybe a covenant or two... Like UK having to accept the euro, for example). But, from my POV, UK is just too desirable and powerful. (I don't belong to UK, by the way)
>> UK is just too desirable and powerful. That's why the UK had a particularly good deal in the EU and would have to accept a worse one to get back in if it were even possible. You have to consider that the EU is not monolithic. The UK that pushed to get southern and eastern countries into the union to grow the trade power of the customs union. France and some other EU countries probably would have preferred a more "…
> France gains in many ways if the UK stays out. It becomes the only member that can really project military power.
Until Germany wakes up from their dream, which it looks they did after the Ukrainian invasion and the 100 billion euro budget for the Bundeswehr.
Its going to take time(if they stick with it), but if Germany continues to arm it self, I wouldn't be surprised if they become the new European superpower, maybe they just need Nuclear weapons at the end to seal the deal?(although I really doubt this will go down well with the population).
Re: RejoinEU – About UK to rejoin EU possibility (aka Reverse Brexit)
#27It's not going to happen. I'd love the UK to rejoin the EU but there isn't the political will to do, either here or in the EU27. Remember too it only takes any one of the remaining constituent nations to veto any membership consideration - and that's only after a process of political wrangling which can take a decade or more. If international treaties are famous for anything, it's that they are formed at glacial pace…
There is one situation where it could happen. If the courts give Scotland another vote for independence and they vote yes, then it's quite possible the government would offer a vote on rejoining as a last resort attempt to hold the country together.
Re: RejoinEU – About UK to rejoin EU possibility (aka Reverse Brexit)
#28I doubt that’ll fly in the next decade
Re: RejoinEU – About UK to rejoin EU possibility (aka Reverse Brexit)
#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
My intuition is 'yes, of course, but you don't get the opt-outs back'. So no budget rebate, Euro participation etc. Which would be a tougher sell in Britain than otherwise. I expect customs union re-entry in due course followed by single market membership (which is pretty much all upside for the EU side) and long discussions about rejoining the political institutions. But nothing for the rest of this parliament or th…
Trying to introduce the Euro into the UK would be political suicide for any politician brave/stupid enough to try. Only the most federast of libdems would support that here.
One just needs parity, and for businesses in the desperate backwater economy to accept the funny money, and wahey, you have the Euro!
(Yeah I know, in reality it's not that simple...)
Re: RejoinEU – About UK to rejoin EU possibility (aka Reverse Brexit)
#30You can come back if you like, but no more special treatment and no exceptions for you anymore. And you would probably need to give up the pound as well. And change your driving direction from left to right.
Ireland and Malta are in the EU and have left-hand drive...