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Temporarily overshooting 2°C would cause permanent damage to Earth’s species

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Re: Temporarily overshooting 2°C would cause permanent damage to Earth’s species

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honest question, is it so bad if we go extinct? why bother going through all this effort and anxiety for someone we'll never even meet?

taking an honest look at my own life, I'm just a sophisticated robot that eats, poops and labors just so I can continue to eat, poop and labor yet another day...

Re: Temporarily overshooting 2°C would cause permanent damage to Earth’s species

#22

honest question, is it so bad if we go extinct? why bother going through all this effort and anxiety for someone we'll never even meet? taking an honest look at my own life, I'm just a sophisticated robot that eats, poops and labors just so I can continue to eat, poop and labor yet another day...

Yes. It'd be a waste of effort.

Feel free to disagree.

Re: Temporarily overshooting 2°C would cause permanent damage to Earth’s species

#23
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did not say crushed rock is the solution. I just used it as an example that solution may not require us to supply the amount energy from the grid that we would normally get from emitting the CO2 in the first place. Also, I think you are just flat wrong about how unprecedented this operation would be. Digging oil and coal from under the sea or thousands of meters below ground is certainly more difficult than crushin…

Crushing many cubic kilometers of rock, transporting it, and then spreading over large areas takes quite a bit of energy, you'll find. It's not easy as you say, and only specific types of silicate rocks work. You seem to keep thinking that the "tech" is what matters here, and not the necessary enormous industrial and ecological inputs this would take. Also, no, I'm not wrong about the scale. This solution would requi…

> Again, you still aren't grasping how big this would be.

You seem to be very sure about knowing what I can or cannot grasp. You wield this sentence as some kind of weapon against me but the fact is you are not presenting any arguments.

Humanity has shown that it can do a lot if it just wants.

Look at the scale of world wars where large part of world's output was converted to war effort because we just didn't like the idea of being conquered by Nazis.

The great pyramid of Giza is 0.2% of cubic kilometers and it was literally built with sticks and rope, for vanity, with relatively few people.

Your claim that humanity can't crush a bunch of cubic km of rock and spread over vast areas of land when faced with existential crisis is shortsighted.

Re: Temporarily overshooting 2°C would cause permanent damage to Earth’s species

#24

We're on course for 4+. 1.5 is locked in. Nothing short of a nuclear war will stop 2-3.

If people truly care about the humanitarian elements of climate change, they should be looking into how to relocate somewhere north of a billion people from Bangladesh and the surrounding area to land which isn't doomed to be underwater relatively soon.

Of course, you can't make money selling refugees (yet), so this remains a secondary consideration.

Re: Temporarily overshooting 2°C would cause permanent damage to Earth’s species

#25
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Crushing many cubic kilometers of rock, transporting it, and then spreading over large areas takes quite a bit of energy, you'll find. It's not easy as you say, and only specific types of silicate rocks work. You seem to keep thinking that the "tech" is what matters here, and not the necessary enormous industrial and ecological inputs this would take. Also, no, I'm not wrong about the scale. This solution would requi…

> Again, you still aren't grasping how big this would be. You seem to be very sure about knowing what I can or cannot grasp. You wield this sentence as some kind of weapon against me but the fact is you are not presenting any arguments. Humanity has shown that it can do a lot if it just wants. Look at the scale of world wars where large part of world's output was converted to war effort because we just didn't like th…

The existential crisis you are talking about is happening right here, right now - and nothing meaningful is being done about it. The correct course of action is to reduce further damage, and not count on our ability to tech our way out of this in a further degraded environment decades from now.

I keep saying "you don't grasp" the scale here because really you don't. Myself and others have explained how enormous this undertaking would be, but you haven't given any kind of solution to the manifold problems we outlined.

Re: Temporarily overshooting 2°C would cause permanent damage to Earth’s species

#26

honest question, is it so bad if we go extinct? why bother going through all this effort and anxiety for someone we'll never even meet? taking an honest look at my own life, I'm just a sophisticated robot that eats, poops and labors just so I can continue to eat, poop and labor yet another day...

As it appears, a whole lot of people prefer not to die.

Re: Temporarily overshooting 2°C would cause permanent damage to Earth’s species

#27
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post #5

Perhaps we should build an arc to help these species survive the anticipated hot period.

And the ark should go where ?

I was thinking either a zoo / reservation of some sort and. / or a dna database for later cloning and repopulation.

Thanks also for the gentle spelling correction.

Re: Temporarily overshooting 2°C would cause permanent damage to Earth’s species

#28

honest question, is it so bad if we go extinct? why bother going through all this effort and anxiety for someone we'll never even meet? taking an honest look at my own life, I'm just a sophisticated robot that eats, poops and labors just so I can continue to eat, poop and labor yet another day...

As it appears, a whole lot of people prefer not to die.

but what about all this obsession about ensuring that there are still humans in say 200 years, when anyone who might exist is a complete stranger to us?

Re: Temporarily overshooting 2°C would cause permanent damage to Earth’s species

#29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As it appears, a whole lot of people prefer not to die.

but what about all this obsession about ensuring that there are still humans in say 200 years, when anyone who might exist is a complete stranger to us?

Because humans like other humans? humans want a legacy? humans want the species to persist and even excel? Not everyone is a nihilist.

Re: Temporarily overshooting 2°C would cause permanent damage to Earth’s species

#30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As it appears, a whole lot of people prefer not to die.

but what about all this obsession about ensuring that there are still humans in say 200 years, when anyone who might exist is a complete stranger to us?

Because people care about their grandchildren/future family? I honestly can't understand this question. You can see it around you everywhere. Wealthy families even ensure that generations down the line will have some wealth. People give heaps of money to charity to help other people they will never know. People just care about other people even if they don't necessarily know them directly.
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