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The sports footage you won't see on TV this Thanksgiving

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Re: The sports footage you won't see on TV this Thanksgiving

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Post by neilk »

curiouskat wrote: post #17
josephcooney wrote: post #10

What's the reason for keeping the footage out of the public's hands? "Proprietary NFL coaching information" doesn't really explain it. Are the NFL making money off the teams by cutting them a special deal of All-22 footage of their own games, and opponents?

The NFL's lawyers stated the NFL competes in the "entertainment marketplace" ( http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearings/testimony.cfm?renderfor... ) and operates as a single entity, not as 32 teams. The NFL makes a large portion of its revenue from television, and ratings are higher on close, competitive games. What prevents owners from keeping the games close or trading wins/losses now to help a storyline in exchange fo…

Any evidence to back this up from previous games? Surely they can't hide what's going on from fans in the stadium, who have cameras.

Re: The sports footage you won't see on TV this Thanksgiving

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Post by weixiyen »

Anechoic wrote: post #18
keeptrying wrote: post #5

You can figure out whats happening on the field just from what they show on TV. I wrote an answer on quora on how to do this: What I enjoy in a football game is understanding the strategy thats being carried out and the efficiency of execution on every play. I've broken down a list of positions/schemes/plays to look for below. The following applies when watching a regular play from scrimmage - ie one that will be eit…

> unless its the damn Patriots of 2010 I heart Gronk and Hernandez! > If they are in line, in front of the QB then you can safely assume a pass or trick play. Not really, since defenses can see the same thing and know a team's tendencies from scouting. A better indication of pass vs. run is how far the tailback lines up behind scrimmage. For run plays, the RB tends to line up about 6-7 yards behind scrimmage to they…

The defenses are quite aware if it's showing run. Unfortunately, they cannot always assume it due to play action passing because the formation is literally the same, including the depth at which the RBs will line up.

Re: The sports footage you won't see on TV this Thanksgiving

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Post by SamReidHughes »

matdwyer wrote: post #3
ghshephard wrote: post #2

Seems like there's an opportunity here - how difficult would it be for a fan to video / stream the "all-22" from high angle (read nosebleed) seats? I've brought my Laptop and SLR into football and baseball games (Oakland), so they aren't that strict about allowing media/comms equipment in.

That would work for about 20 minutes until they find out your location and throw the book at you for broadcasting a copyrighted event. You got an SLR in, but try "filming" a game with it - you'll be stopped in under 10 minutes, I promise you Also, that isn't like the streaming sites where you can be at a desk in Sweden and re-broadcasting games fairly anonymously... they'd just walk up to your seat and escort you out…

> That would work for about 20 minutes until they find out your location and throw the book at you for broadcasting a copyrighted event.

Um, no? There is nothing copyrighted about the on-field action of a football game. All they can do is kick you out of the stadium.

Re: The sports footage you won't see on TV this Thanksgiving

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Post by CamperBob »

josephcooney wrote: post #10

What's the reason for keeping the footage out of the public's hands? "Proprietary NFL coaching information" doesn't really explain it. Are the NFL making money off the teams by cutting them a special deal of All-22 footage of their own games, and opponents?

What's the reason for keeping the footage out of the public's hands?

Couldn't it be as simple as wanting to preserve some value for the fans who actually buy tickets?

In any case, if this footage is so valuable, why can't somebody with a good camera phone buy a seat in the nosebleed section, set up a tripod, and charge for the stream?

Re: The sports footage you won't see on TV this Thanksgiving

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Post by swang »

curiouskat wrote: post #17
josephcooney wrote: post #10

What's the reason for keeping the footage out of the public's hands? "Proprietary NFL coaching information" doesn't really explain it. Are the NFL making money off the teams by cutting them a special deal of All-22 footage of their own games, and opponents?

The NFL's lawyers stated the NFL competes in the "entertainment marketplace" ( http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearings/testimony.cfm?renderfor... ) and operates as a single entity, not as 32 teams. The NFL makes a large portion of its revenue from television, and ratings are higher on close, competitive games. What prevents owners from keeping the games close or trading wins/losses now to help a storyline in exchange fo…

Are you seriously implying that the NFL is "fixed?" You have actual proof of this besides, "I know it is?"

Re: The sports footage you won't see on TV this Thanksgiving

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Post by _delirium »

josephcooney wrote: post #10

What's the reason for keeping the footage out of the public's hands? "Proprietary NFL coaching information" doesn't really explain it. Are the NFL making money off the teams by cutting them a special deal of All-22 footage of their own games, and opponents?

It's basically the "data", in that when you have the all-22 view, you can extract the full player-locations-at-each-time data set reasonably well using computer-vision techniques. It seems reasonable to believe that that data is potentially valuable and/or sensitive, even if they aren't 100% sure what they want to do with it yet.

Re: The sports footage you won't see on TV this Thanksgiving

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Post by maqr »

SamReidHughes wrote: post #23
matdwyer wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would work for about 20 minutes until they find out your location and throw the book at you for broadcasting a copyrighted event. You got an SLR in, but try "filming" a game with it - you'll be stopped in under 10 minutes, I promise you Also, that isn't like the streaming sites where you can be at a desk in Sweden and re-broadcasting games fairly anonymously... they'd just walk up to your seat and escort you out…

> That would work for about 20 minutes until they find out your location and throw the book at you for broadcasting a copyrighted event. Um, no? There is nothing copyrighted about the on-field action of a football game. All they can do is kick you out of the stadium.

I'd honestly be surprised if it wasn't some kind of serious crime. The NFL is very aggressive about IP.

Re: The sports footage you won't see on TV this Thanksgiving

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Post by Anechoic »

weixiyen wrote: post #22
Anechoic wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> unless its the damn Patriots of 2010 I heart Gronk and Hernandez! > If they are in line, in front of the QB then you can safely assume a pass or trick play. Not really, since defenses can see the same thing and know a team's tendencies from scouting. A better indication of pass vs. run is how far the tailback lines up behind scrimmage. For run plays, the RB tends to line up about 6-7 yards behind scrimmage to they…

The defenses are quite aware if it's showing run. Unfortunately, they cannot always assume it due to play action passing because the formation is literally the same, including the depth at which the RBs will line up.

>passing because the formation is literally the same, including the depth at which the RBs will line up.

Yep, you're correct, we were only told to cheat up in play action when we knew we had to pick up a blitzer.

Re: The sports footage you won't see on TV this Thanksgiving

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Post by keeptrying »

Anechoic wrote: post #28
weixiyen wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The defenses are quite aware if it's showing run. Unfortunately, they cannot always assume it due to play action passing because the formation is literally the same, including the depth at which the RBs will line up.

> passing because the formation is literally the same, including the depth at which the RBs will line up. Yep, you're correct, we were only told to cheat up in play action when we knew we had to pick up a blitzer.

Did you play football in College? Would love to have you on quora football if you did.

Re: The sports footage you won't see on TV this Thanksgiving

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Post by flyt »

Here's the NFL survey asking fans if they would like access to this footage for a fee: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/9FXQC3D

In case it gets pulled, here's the attached image: http://cl.ly/3e1m1b0x1L410V0I1i0h

The poll says "The NFL is evaluating an online streaming product providing consumers with exclusive Coaches Film footage of all 22 players on the field for every play and game."

The whole survey: http://cl.ly/1Q3R0h1L161b3J1a2J3u

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