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Reselling Software: Don’t Start a SaaS – White Label Someone Else’s Instead

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Re: Reselling Software: Don’t Start a SaaS – White Label Someone Else’s Instead

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Where is the value added, in this? Looks like a means to un-earned income for a very few, by driving up costs for the vast majority.

Did you read the article? It's not pirating and selling as yours, its reselling. Resellers exist for almost every kind of product or service. The original provider gets more sales, the reseller makes money from taking a cut, the customer gets the product/service. Manufacturers and service providers need distribution, resellers provide this. It's like paying a Chinese company to slap your own logo on a doodad and sell…

The point the are claiming is that resellers don't produce anything or add value. They would almost certainly agree with your Chinese/Amazon analogy and also condemn the resellers doing that. It's a common opinion among those who build stuff for a living and aren't responsible for marketing those things.

Re: Reselling Software: Don’t Start a SaaS – White Label Someone Else’s Instead

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I have done the exact opposite! Does anyone know if there's any value in a 5+ year old 95% working SaaS web-app with a "very messy" codebase? I personally have two systems (my first attempts at live SaaS systems) that have been just closed but have been working "live" for 5+ years- both made in Laravel with Angular 1.4 front ends, they look good! - but the codebase is "a pile of patches on top of a chaotic prototype"…

The most important question is... does it makes money.

If yes, then reselling is totally possible. The price may be lower due to the shape of the codebase, this is a discussion to be had. There are definitely people interested in taking this kind of system and keeping them alive longer, if not investing in straightening them out.

All depends on what value they find in them.

Re: Reselling Software: Don’t Start a SaaS – White Label Someone Else’s Instead

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post #13

Well, wrong audience here. That's doing all of the hard work (marketing, selling) without any of the fun (engineering).

I was wondering: is there a community online like HN for marketers?

Product Hunt has a low code and non-eng community that includes that demographic.

Re: Reselling Software: Don’t Start a SaaS – White Label Someone Else’s Instead

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post #12

Or see it the other way around: if you have a SaaS, don't underestimate resellers. My company has its own product, but we also provide white-label services to other companies. We're terrible at marketing, and some of our partners operate in certain very specific niches, with their pool of clients. It's a mutually beneficial relationship. (With the caveat that, if your aim is to build a pool of clients to then sell th…

Sounds like an MLM business...

Re: Reselling Software: Don’t Start a SaaS – White Label Someone Else’s Instead

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Meta-comment:

The author is relating second-hand information. That’s useful, it’s good to have people who have a skill of curating business advice and pointing us in good directions. But my first-hand advice is to recognize the difference between:

Alice: “I’m making five figures a month for five hours a week reselling five products.”

And Bob: “People like Alice make as much as five figures a month for five hours a week reselling five products.”

In the first case, Alice has direct experience with success. In the second case, the incentives are such that Bob is someone whose experience and expertise is in selecting stories that have verisimilitude, that is, things that sound true.

And what makes something sound true? Quite often, something we want to be true sounds true even if it isn’t, and something we don’t want to be true doesn’t sound true, even if it is.

Bob nearly always sounds more authoritative than Alice, because Bob’s business is sounding authoritative, whereas Alice’s business is being authoritative. Why doesn’t Alice always sound authoritative? Because she speaks the truth whether it appeals to our biases or opposes them, whether we want her truth to be true or not.

Bob, on the other hand, is an authority on what people want to hear. Bob is just as expert in Bob’s business as Alice is in hers. Bob uses metrics and data to write headlines and even choose the most compelling adjectives to use in his posts. Bob sounds authoritative to people lacking expertise in whatever Bob is talking about.

The Bobs of this world can (but don’t always) become “a poor man’s idea of a rich man, and a failure’s idea of a success,” because their customers are people early in their lives and careers.

So what to do when a Bob suggests something is true? Well, we shouldn’t dismiss it. But let’s think of it the way we’d think of Bob referring a candidate for a job in our businesses.

We might fast-track them into an interview, but we’d still interview the candidate. And so it must be with business advice. Bob pointing us to an idea is Bob referring an idea to us.

Our job is to take Bob’s referral and still validate the idea by seeking original, authoritative expertise. Bob’s value is suggesting ideas to think about, not teaching us about business.

p.s. I say all of the above as an authority on the subject: I’m a Bob.

Re: Reselling Software: Don’t Start a SaaS – White Label Someone Else’s Instead

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I have done the exact opposite! Does anyone know if there's any value in a 5+ year old 95% working SaaS web-app with a "very messy" codebase? I personally have two systems (my first attempts at live SaaS systems) that have been just closed but have been working "live" for 5+ years- both made in Laravel with Angular 1.4 front ends, they look good! - but the codebase is "a pile of patches on top of a chaotic prototype"…

> A huge amount of works has gone into them.

"work" has no value on its own. Work is the function; it is the output of that function that may have value. The difficulty is in figuring out who would value it the highest.

For example, an existing customer base is valuable, especially if paying. A working and nice-looking UI, even with a poor backend, is valuable. The combination together might be valuable.

A line of code doesn't have a lot of value, which means that a large company might easily replace a poor backend by throwing some developers at it. Most people buy what they can see, and what they can see in this case is a "look good" front-end that are working "live" for 5+ years.

You should probably contact your largest competitors's partners/alliance/business development teams. Something might develop. Approach it as a partnership and alliance, and something might work out. One more thought, given that this is HN: companies don't actually negotiate with other companies, but: people negotiate with people. That's 90% of sales right there... being human and talking to other humans.

Re: Reselling Software: Don’t Start a SaaS – White Label Someone Else’s Instead

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I have done the exact opposite! Does anyone know if there's any value in a 5+ year old 95% working SaaS web-app with a "very messy" codebase? I personally have two systems (my first attempts at live SaaS systems) that have been just closed but have been working "live" for 5+ years- both made in Laravel with Angular 1.4 front ends, they look good! - but the codebase is "a pile of patches on top of a chaotic prototype"…

Try MicroAcquire. Although you'd have a bit better luck if they were already generating revenue, they do have sellers selling pre-revenue SaaS as well.

Re: Reselling Software: Don’t Start a SaaS – White Label Someone Else’s Instead

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post #25

Meta-comment: The author is relating second-hand information. That’s useful, it’s good to have people who have a skill of curating business advice and pointing us in good directions. But my first-hand advice is to recognize the difference between: Alice: “I’m making five figures a month for five hours a week reselling five products.” And Bob: “People like Alice make as much as five figures a month for five hours a we…

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