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The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Reminder to not link directly to jwz.org from HN. Here's a sanitized link: (or right click above and open in incognito) https://web.archive.org/web/20220121083848/https://www.jwz.o...

Anyone know why they block HN referral requests?

Because he has enough money to look down his nose at people he perceives to be motivated by money?

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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>I read his blog sometimes and all too often come away feeling disgusted. The comments sections are all echo chambers and his dialog on certain sociopolitical issues (recently, vaccine passports) is nothing short of fascist. I used to read it frequently and enjoyed it, especially around the time he was setting up DNA lounge. Then after a while I started to notice this odd regression, as in, day by day it seemed to ge…

> Something really weird is happening to a lot of people and I just don't get it. It isn't happening to me, so why is it happening to them?

Could it be that the social isolation from covid is aggravating underlying mental health issues?

Completely speculation follows, but if this guy was a club owner, then he may have gone from a very active social life where people basically worship him to having financial troubles and living in isolation. I've seen people living the party lifestyle going from doing drugs with friends on the weekend to doing drugs alone to cope with loneliness.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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If you click through to JWZ from HN, you will see an NSFW picture with the following text underneath: > Hackers News: A DDos by finance obsessed man-children and brogrammers.

“A DDOS” (aka the “hug of death”) makes sense, but “man children and brogrammers”?

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Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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>I read his blog sometimes and all too often come away feeling disgusted. The comments sections are all echo chambers and his dialog on certain sociopolitical issues (recently, vaccine passports) is nothing short of fascist. I used to read it frequently and enjoyed it, especially around the time he was setting up DNA lounge. Then after a while I started to notice this odd regression, as in, day by day it seemed to ge…

Thanks for replying. My comment is getting downvoted (rightly so as it's off-topic politicking) but I wanted to have the conversation anyway since somebody else brought up jwz. That is the exact link I was thinking of. Viewpoints like these really do seem to be proliferating at a concerning rate.

Fear is powerful. The CDC just dropped most requirements so his digital bondage fantasy is over before it started.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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The interesting thing about this is that YouTube is clearly trying to make it more difficult for non-official clients to stream video, as is evident from the required workaround described here: https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/issues/29326#issuecom... The legal defense of youtube-dl is premised on the idea that there's no circumvention occurring [0]. I 100% support youtube-dl and I want YouTube to stop interfer…

> The interesting thing about this is that YouTube is clearly trying to make it more difficult for non-official clients to stream video, as is evident from the required workaround described here:

Can not reply with the entire situation but I would not be surprised if Google does not care enough to stop the project through other means but tries to reduce mindless zombie-bots from sucking up bandwidth all day long. If you have access to a fast connection you may notice even the web player is throttled sometimes.

Irrespective of that, the complaining party is the RIAA and not Google or YouTube in name.

> I 100% support youtube-dl and I want YouTube to stop interfering with it, but I also think we're being a little too cute when we pretend like ytdl isn't circumventing anything

I think the optics are a little different when it's a third party internet service as the medium, but 'we' are still arguing what constitutes fair-use of DRM protected physical media. :-(

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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The interesting thing about this is that YouTube is clearly trying to make it more difficult for non-official clients to stream video, as is evident from the required workaround described here: https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/issues/29326#issuecom... The legal defense of youtube-dl is premised on the idea that there's no circumvention occurring [0]. I 100% support youtube-dl and I want YouTube to stop interfer…

I thought the most recent legal argument was the 2019 hiQ Labs Inc v LinkedIn Corp[0], in which the Ninth Circuit found web scraping to be legal, and forbid LinkedIn from blocking web scrapers. The exact same argument can be made for accessing YouTube via youtube-dl. The article does indicate that the decision in hiQ v LinkedIn was vacated by SCOTUS following the 2021 Van Buren v United States [0], to be retried by t…

Discussed on HN before: Court: Violating a site’s terms of service isn’t criminal hacking (2020) [1] (probably other discussions as well). My comment on this one:

> ... it's the webmaster's own responsibility to "just not serve" if they don't want it to be served, and their failure to implement their own desires as software doesn't suddenly give them carte blanche to claim whatever they want was breaking the law. ... The fact that Microsoft is too lazy to implement a solution that effectively implements their desired policy isn't material to what the actually implemented policy enables.

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22738180

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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If you click through to JWZ from HN, you will see an NSFW picture with the following text underneath: > Hackers News: A DDos by finance obsessed man-children and brogrammers.

“A DDOS” (aka the “hug of death”) makes sense, but “man children and brogrammers”?

JWZ is one of those people who thinks it's edgy and cool to insult people. I found it funny about 20 years ago, now I find it merely embarrassing.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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>I read his blog sometimes and all too often come away feeling disgusted. The comments sections are all echo chambers and his dialog on certain sociopolitical issues (recently, vaccine passports) is nothing short of fascist. I used to read it frequently and enjoyed it, especially around the time he was setting up DNA lounge. Then after a while I started to notice this odd regression, as in, day by day it seemed to ge…

In terms of socio-politics we are witnessing the evolution/proliferation of ideas. You can think of ideas sort of like viruses in the way they spread, especially ideology. I don't think it's people being isolated, I think honestly that post covid and the current inflation and the last few years honestly young people especially are looking for ~something~ else, so we're witnessing what ideas people latch on to. There was a really good article recently posted about ideology and how it can harm people it was a really sobering read. That being said I think it's easy to realize that our current system ~whatever we think that is~ has led to widespread income inequality only exacerbated by automation, offshoring, and the availability of higher paying jobs. As far as some marxist feeling a 'sense of persecution' the red scare was all to real, the US Gov's position has been historically repressive of those people including exterminating people in Vietnam and through proxy wars, and even deadly operations on US soil. I don't know anything about jwz or the history of this site though.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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With luck it will take them a few more years to figure out that yt-dlp and other forks with derivative names exist.

I switched to yt-dlp a few months ago, under the impression that youtube-dl was no longer maintained? At least for youtube purposes, at least for the one crucial issue that forced me to switch. I forgot what the issue was, but it had several PRs sitting there for months and nobody was gonna merge it.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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post #9

The interesting thing about this is that YouTube is clearly trying to make it more difficult for non-official clients to stream video, as is evident from the required workaround described here: https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/issues/29326#issuecom... The legal defense of youtube-dl is premised on the idea that there's no circumvention occurring [0]. I 100% support youtube-dl and I want YouTube to stop interfer…

I thought the most recent legal argument was the 2019 hiQ Labs Inc v LinkedIn Corp[0], in which the Ninth Circuit found web scraping to be legal, and forbid LinkedIn from blocking web scrapers. The exact same argument can be made for accessing YouTube via youtube-dl. The article does indicate that the decision in hiQ v LinkedIn was vacated by SCOTUS following the 2021 Van Buren v United States [0], to be retried by t…

Are youtube-dl users being charged with CFAA violations?
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