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Amazon suspends Black Lives Matter from its charity platform

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Re: Amazon suspends Black Lives Matter from its charity platform

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Post by HWR_14 »

DoctorOW wrote: post #15
zdragnar wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know of any American who claims to be a democrat without also claiming to be a Democrat; the terms are synonymous with the political party in the US.

While the literal term isn't used the way the parent describes I believe that their comment is trying to communicate "While only half of Americans describe themselves as Democrats, most Americans would say they're "an advocate or supporter of democracy" (the definition of a democrat).

Thank you for clarifying my post. That is indeed what what I meant.

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Post by thorncorona »

HWR_14 wrote: post #8

The BLM movement and the BLM organization are different. Much the same way that Americans will all claim to be democrats but less than half will claim to be Democrats.

In the eyes of most people they are the same. Using obvious words in subtle ways makes it hard to people to differentiate.

Just as Republicans don't claim to be democrats, defund the police means removing all funding for police, etc.

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Post by alpha_squared »

Important to note that this is the BLM Global Network Foundation (BLMGNF), which is not the same as the grassroots, decentralized BLM movement that happened nationally.

If I recall correctly, BLMGNF was formed by a couple folks in Los Angeles to give a formal organization the authority and organizational weight of what the BLM movement was about. The BLM movement, being decentralized and leaderless at the national level, mostly rejected BLMGNF speaking for them and being recognized as the organization of the movement, but BLMGNF moved forward with claiming national leadership regardless.

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Post by syshum »

joebob42 wrote: post #13
syshum wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I think in this instance "democrat" is being used to mean "supporter of democracy". I don't think you aren't an American if you aren't a supporter of democracy, per se, but I do think the principle is a fairly core tenet of what it is, or at least is supposed to be, to be "American". I would be unsurprised if other people said you were un-American for feeling this way.

Sorry no, democracy is not a core tenant of America... Core tenant's of America's founding where Individual rights and self governance.

The Founders took great pains to LIMIT the amount of democracy in our system, because they understood the problems with democracy. The house of Representatives was the only democratically elected part of the government for a reason. We ignored them at our own peril..

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Post by marpstar »

DoctorOW wrote: post #18
charcircuit wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Much the same way that Americans will all claim to be democrats I'm not a democrat and I'm American.

What's wrong with democracy?

Not answering your question, but making sure the clarification is made that we (in the USA) do not live in a Democracy. We live in a Constitutional Republic.

I know, I know... some people cringe when someone points this out, but it's true.

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Post by elil17 »

thorncorona wrote: post #22
HWR_14 wrote: post #8

The BLM movement and the BLM organization are different. Much the same way that Americans will all claim to be democrats but less than half will claim to be Democrats.

In the eyes of most people they are the same. Using obvious words in subtle ways makes it hard to people to differentiate. Just as Republicans don't claim to be democrats, defund the police means removing all funding for police, etc.

OP phrased that weirdly (and apparently doesn’t know that no one calls themselves a small d democrat - just not a phrase normal people use).

The point though, is that most people who support ending police brutality know that BLM Global Network Foundation is mismanaged. There are many other groups doing work to fight against police brutality which have more support from people involved in that movement.

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Post by paisawalla »

DoctorOW wrote: post #18
charcircuit wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Much the same way that Americans will all claim to be democrats I'm not a democrat and I'm American.

What's wrong with democracy?

Purports to be about consent of the governed, will of the people, popular rule etc. In reality, you can't even prevent your own children from being taught as truth some pseudomoral garbage that maybe 5-10% of the population believes. Basically it transfers power to the most motivated actors, almost regardless of their popularity.

Re: Amazon suspends Black Lives Matter from its charity platform

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Post by encryptluks2 »

TheodolphusRose wrote: post #20
mywittyname wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or, it's because the IRS revoked their tax exempt status. https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/detailsPage?ein=473691474&name=... Amazon doesn't really get a choice in the matter here.

That's a different and completely unrelated [1] organization that happens to have a similar name (Black Lives Matter Foundation vs Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation). [1] https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanmac/black-lives-mat...

Yeah, it seems here that people are just getting confused about which organization is actually in charge due to two different organizations registering very similar names. I wonder if they trademarked the brand Black Lives Matter, and if so if they attempted to enforce it to prevent something like this from happening, or if they are in fact affiliated with each other.

Re: Amazon suspends Black Lives Matter from its charity platform

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Post by rvz »

HWR_14 wrote: post #8

The BLM movement and the BLM organization are different. Much the same way that Americans will all claim to be democrats but less than half will claim to be Democrats.

Well, it seems this 'confusion' has tricked even the biggest companies to not only 'show support' for the movement with their now pointless banners, but also donate to the organisation which basically failed to be held accountable for the missing $60M that was spent on properties.

They supported both, including the 'Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation'.

So they were supporting fraudsters all this time?

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