I don't want to minimize the damage caused by Covid-19 over the past year. But I think cardiovascular diseases probably killed more police officers over the past year.
Covid is the #1 killer of LEOs in 2020 and 2021
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Re: Covid is the #1 killer of LEOs in 2020 and 2021
#22Had a friend from college who became a police officer. He probably would have survived COVID-19 if he could've waited a week before going to the hospital. He certainly went along with getting ventilated because he believed the doctors knew what they were doing. Ventilations fell off a cliff a week later (in April 2020) when the doctors started to ignore the official guidelines for COVID-19. Whatever happened to those…
How did you write all of that and not address the fact that ventilators typically use air with added oxygen, not pure oxygen?
Thanks for the feedback. I am not overly familiar with ventilation protocols, I just understand that some ventilation strategies are more aggressive than others. I will edit to clarify.
This is a great article that says that ventilators have been studied for pneumonia and found to not help improve survival outcomes: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/Ventilators-aren-t-a-pan...
Re: Covid is the #1 killer of LEOs in 2020 and 2021
#23I don't want to minimize the damage caused by Covid-19 over the past year. But I think cardiovascular diseases probably killed more police officers over the past year.
Not according to the actual statistics that are available on that page.
And if you look at 2017, 2018, 2019, deaths ranged from 150-180.
2020 and 2021 they've jumped to over 350 (and 2021 isn't over yet).
So it isn't even, as someone who at least clicked the link might suggest, Cardiovascular disease being presented as COVID.
Re: Covid is the #1 killer of LEOs in 2020 and 2021
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
If I am doing the numbers right, the overall US COVID death rate is ~2200 per 100K and LEOs are 476 from that site out of (from other sources) about 700K, which is 68 per 100K. Which initially makes LEOs look like they are doing quite well, but I suspect its quite bad once you correct for age demographics of the population and the law enforcement profession. There aren't a lot of cops in the age groups with the highe…
The original site doesn't seem to be a good source - Texas has 3.5x the absolute numbers of California.
Texas also has/had much more COVID than CA.
And they also probably have different policing styles.
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
How did you write all of that and not address the fact that ventilators typically use air with added oxygen, not pure oxygen?
Thanks for the feedback. I am not overly familiar with ventilation protocols, I just understand that some ventilation strategies are more aggressive than others. I will edit to clarify. This is a great article that says that ventilators have been studied for pneumonia and found to not help improve survival outcomes: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/Ventilators-aren-t-a-pan...
Why would you make any claims about medical practice without understanding the 5 minute basics?
You talk about refusing ventilation to survive hospitalization, but your whole premise (toxicity of pure oxygen) has nothing to do with modern medical practice!
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thanks for the feedback. I am not overly familiar with ventilation protocols, I just understand that some ventilation strategies are more aggressive than others. I will edit to clarify. This is a great article that says that ventilators have been studied for pneumonia and found to not help improve survival outcomes: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/Ventilators-aren-t-a-pan...
Why would you make any claims about medical practice without understanding the 5 minute basics? You talk about refusing ventilation to survive hospitalization, but your whole premise (toxicity of pure oxygen) has nothing to do with modern medical practice!
> your whole premise (toxicity of pure oxygen)
My premise is that any amount of supplemental oxygen without the antidote for oxygen toxicity worsens outcomes. For example, I mentioned how doctors are realizing that COPD patients don't necessarily benefit from supplemental oxygen.
(Edit: editing my piece I understood what you meant. I have reworded that opening paragraph to say "Modern doctors sometimes decide their patient's tissues are low on oxygen and prescribe various amounts of supplemental oxygen.")
> modern medical practice!
Aggressive use of oxygenation has been studied and is consistently found to worsens patient outcomes [0]. There should be no controversy, but aggressive oxygenation is a common treatment in modern medical practice. Maybe you know why this is the case?
[0] Mortality/morbidity: acutely ill adults liberal vs. conservative Oxygen Tx(2018) (thelancet.com) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22993262
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
The original site doesn't seem to be a good source - Texas has 3.5x the absolute numbers of California.
Texas also has/had much more COVID than CA. And they also probably have different policing styles.
CA had 0.06 cases per capita [since Jan 1 2021], TX is at 0.07. "LEO density" doesn't offset this enough either, so there has to be some reporting error.
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
Texas also has/had much more COVID than CA. And they also probably have different policing styles.
CA had 0.06 cases per capita [since Jan 1 2021], TX is at 0.07. "LEO density" doesn't offset this enough either, so there has to be some reporting error.
Or behavioral (possibly driven by departmental policy) differences in LEO community between states. Or...lots of other things.
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
Cops are worshipped by society because "they put their life on the line". This, like the link you shared, should disabuse people of that notion. Unfortunately it will change nothing.
They are needed to enforce property rights and political agendas ( war on drugs aka the war on the poor) nothing more. They do not have a duty to protect you and are often working to directly harm people.
Also revenue generation via citations and civil asset forfeiture, which is asset seizure without due process that is highly abused by many departments to supplement budgets.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_forfeiture_in_the_United...
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#30LEO = Law Enforcement Officer At least that’s my guess from the context of the page. I was pretty sure it wasn’t those born July 22 - August 22 ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_(astrology) ) Totally agree with the irony notes by others of this given the LEOs reaction to vaccines.
I did wonder how Low Earth orbits got killed.
I misread and thought it was about lego