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Covid is the #1 killer of LEOs in 2020 and 2021

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Re: Covid is the #1 killer of LEOs in 2020 and 2021

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Isn’t COVID likely to be the #1 killer of most professions in 2020/2021, since most professions are mercifully not that dangerous anymore? LEO isn’t in the top 10 of the life threatening profession list in US, https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/27/the-10-most-dangerous-jobs-i... . I’d wager COVID was also the #1 killer of retail clerks, florists, and probably software engineers for the last two years as well.

It would make some amount of sense.

It seems like the other most common killers, heart disease and cancer, tend to take you out with more predictability and on a longer time scale (barring surprise heart attacks). I would expect that a large percentage of people dying of these diseases leave their jobs (voluntarily or laid off) before they die of it, making them less common causes of death for active professionals.

On the other hand, covid hits people fast and hard. One day you're fine and working and the next week you're on a ventilator, so these deaths are more likely to happen to people still actively employed.

And we see exactly this reflected in this data. There were 15 heart attacks and no reported cancer deaths, and 231 covid deaths in 2021, even though the overall death rate of covid is comparable to those two.

Nobody stays on the job when they know they have a few months left to live.

Re: Covid is the #1 killer of LEOs in 2020 and 2021

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Isn’t COVID likely to be the #1 killer of most professions in 2020/2021, since most professions are mercifully not that dangerous anymore? LEO isn’t in the top 10 of the life threatening profession list in US, https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/27/the-10-most-dangerous-jobs-i... . I’d wager COVID was also the #1 killer of retail clerks, florists, and probably software engineers for the last two years as well.

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Re: Covid is the #1 killer of LEOs in 2020 and 2021

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How does this compare to the overall death rates? Are LEOs an outlier here?

If I am doing the numbers right, the overall US COVID death rate is ~2200 per 100K and LEOs are 476 from that site out of (from other sources) about 700K, which is 68 per 100K. Which initially makes LEOs look like they are doing quite well, but I suspect its quite bad once you correct for age demographics of the population and the law enforcement profession. There aren't a lot of cops in the age groups with the highe…

The original site doesn't seem to be a good source - Texas has 3.5x the absolute numbers of California.

Re: Covid is the #1 killer of LEOs in 2020 and 2021

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Isn’t COVID likely to be the #1 killer of most professions in 2020/2021, since most professions are mercifully not that dangerous anymore? LEO isn’t in the top 10 of the life threatening profession list in US, https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/27/the-10-most-dangerous-jobs-i... . I’d wager COVID was also the #1 killer of retail clerks, florists, and probably software engineers for the last two years as well.

Cops are worshipped by society because "they put their life on the line". This, like the link you shared, should disabuse people of that notion. Unfortunately it will change nothing.

They are needed to enforce property rights and political agendas ( war on drugs aka the war on the poor) nothing more.

They do not have a duty to protect you and are often working to directly harm people.

Re: Covid is the #1 killer of LEOs in 2020 and 2021

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LEO = Law Enforcement Officer

At least that’s my guess from the context of the page.

I was pretty sure it wasn’t those born July 22 - August 22 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_(astrology))

Totally agree with the irony notes by others of this given the LEOs reaction to vaccines.

Re: Covid is the #1 killer of LEOs in 2020 and 2021

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LEO = Law Enforcement Officer At least that’s my guess from the context of the page. I was pretty sure it wasn’t those born July 22 - August 22 ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_(astrology) ) Totally agree with the irony notes by others of this given the LEOs reaction to vaccines.

I did wonder how Low Earth orbits got killed.

Re: Covid is the #1 killer of LEOs in 2020 and 2021

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Had a friend from college who became a police officer. He probably would have survived COVID-19 if he could've waited a week before going to the hospital. He certainly went along with getting ventilated because he believed the doctors knew what they were doing. Ventilations fell off a cliff a week later (in April 2020) when the doctors started to ignore the official guidelines for COVID-19.

Whatever happened to those ventilators that President Trump ordered? None of them got used, because front line doctors figured out that following the official guidance to ventilate their patients ASAP were death sentences.

My LEO-friend is certainly listed as a COVID-19 fatality, not an iatrogenic one. Inconvenient for the powers that be to consider that he was medically deteriorated with ventilation & oxygenation.

Oxygen is known to be toxic [0], but modern doctors seem to just figure "what else can we do, when the patient's oxygen saturation level crashes?" (because their training doesn't cover the antidote that makes supplemental oxygen non-toxic).

The technical terms for damage done to lungs with ventilators is barotrauma. Sometimes ventilation is justified for short duration [surgery, etc]. Ventilation has never been found helpful for pneumonia.

I'm trying to coin Medical Hyperventilation as a term of art [1]. My term hasn't taken off yet, but the science is entirely settled about everything in my writeup.

[0] Space-cabin Atmospheres: Oxygen toxicity (1964) (google.com) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25883728

[1] The folly of medical hyperventilation - https://www.taxiwars.org/2021/06/folly-medical-hyperventilat... (I've since figured out how Medicine was tricked into no longer using the antidote for oxygen toxicity. The turning point from science-based oxygenation to our modern science-free practice was in 1955.)

Re: Covid is the #1 killer of LEOs in 2020 and 2021

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Had a friend from college who became a police officer. He probably would have survived COVID-19 if he could've waited a week before going to the hospital. He certainly went along with getting ventilated because he believed the doctors knew what they were doing. Ventilations fell off a cliff a week later (in April 2020) when the doctors started to ignore the official guidelines for COVID-19. Whatever happened to those…

How did you write all of that and not address the fact that ventilators typically use air with added oxygen, not pure oxygen?

Re: Covid is the #1 killer of LEOs in 2020 and 2021

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cops are worshipped by society because "they put their life on the line". This, like the link you shared, should disabuse people of that notion. Unfortunately it will change nothing.

They are needed to enforce property rights and political agendas ( war on drugs aka the war on the poor) nothing more. They do not have a duty to protect you and are often working to directly harm people.

Clearly you have an agenda of your own.
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