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Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by fouric »

beaunative wrote: post #15

I don't think China has grudge against Wikimedia specifically, the official policy of theirs has always been that if you recognize Taiwan, you are no friend of them. I don't think the Chinese delegate there cares about free knowledge, further it's their job literally to say no to Taiwan recongition anywhere on earth. So why should we be surprised that China does this when the United States federal government don't ca…

I don't think that that makes it any better. Actually, it seems worse that the CCP would act to obstruct an organization (ostensibly) devoted to the dissemination of knowledge simply because they recognize Taiwan as a country than if they had a particular grudge against The Wikipedia Foundation in particular.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by viktorcode »

Nobody seems to notice that it should not matter at all how accurate exactly the information Wikimedia contains, because it has no relation to the role they can fulfil at WIPO.

China blocks the application, citing irrelevant info. Then other countries dismiss those irrelevant accusations as false. It seems the future of WIPO is to become irrelevant UN body.

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Post by 1ris »

beaunative wrote: post #15

I don't think China has grudge against Wikimedia specifically, the official policy of theirs has always been that if you recognize Taiwan, you are no friend of them. I don't think the Chinese delegate there cares about free knowledge, further it's their job literally to say no to Taiwan recongition anywhere on earth. So why should we be surprised that China does this when the United States federal government don't ca…

First of all, no private organisation can "recognize" a state. That is a privilege for states. Private organisations can only boycott (non-)states by not doing any business with said (non-)citizens. Why in the world Wikimedia do that, and how?

Second, this policy by china is the problem. Not the lack of obedience by the rest of the world.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by Supermancho »

aww_dang wrote: post #14
twofornone wrote: post #12

My only surprise is that China hasn't mentioned the rabidly biased cabal of editors that gatekeep any remotely political article and bully any "non-pc" editors off the platform. Probably because the divisiveness is useful to China's rise, and it wouldn't surprise me if they are behind some of the editing. It's kind of offensive that wikipedia still has an image of neutrality when the entrenched activist editors refus…

Wikipedia has always felt like a walled garden for certain topics. The crowd sourcing is a nice window dressing for an end product which can be highly partisan where it matters. That said, I think you would do well to distinguish between the CCP and China the nation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Per...

> I think you would do well to distinguish between the CCP and China the nation.

Why is that? Granted, the people of China individually work within the gaps of totalitarian control. Ok. The country of (historic and modern) China is whatever the CCP leadership dictates.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by dirtyid »

beaunative wrote: post #15

I don't think China has grudge against Wikimedia specifically, the official policy of theirs has always been that if you recognize Taiwan, you are no friend of them. I don't think the Chinese delegate there cares about free knowledge, further it's their job literally to say no to Taiwan recongition anywhere on earth. So why should we be surprised that China does this when the United States federal government don't ca…

Basically. PRC blocks UN participation of any organization that doesn't follow official UN interpretation of One China. As how things should be. China's UN flexes last few years doing a good job demonstrating "the world" is more than the west. Some folks have a hard time coping with pacing non-white super power that represents 20% of the global population successfully lobbying for their own interests. Conveniently looking past fact that PRC still has plurality support in UN over HK and XJ policies while pretending the world is united against PRC when it's anything but.

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Post by vishho »

orf wrote: post #19
twofornone wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you need links of BLM riot footage? Millions of people rallying to raise their fists and yell and chant against "racism" "white supremacy" which are transparent euphemisms for their outgroup and scapegoat? Surely the parallels are obvious, even if you agree with the cause, no? Or perhaps you didn't see such imagery without "fiery but mostly peaceful" disclaimers? Edit: here's one of the first search results for "b…

Do you also have hundreds of gb’s of footage of police brutality against minorities and white supremacy marches? Or is it just footage of minorities struggling against a system that doesn’t work for them? If so, why?

Yes. You too can get an account for 49$ recurring. If you are interested that is. One weekend in the month we go over to Joe's and watch the best brutality videos together. Bring some beers and you are very welcome, mate!

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by boba-men »

fouric wrote: post #22
tuberelay wrote: post #4

China corrupts any global organization it touches.

I can think of the WHO, John Cena's Twitter apology, Blizzard, the NBA, and Apple, but what else is there?

You make it sounds like that's not enough? WHO in of itself would be extremely troubling. And its not just Apple, MANY fortune 500 companies have agreed to comply with authoritarian policies to do business in China.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

dirtyid wrote: post #26
beaunative wrote: post #15

I don't think China has grudge against Wikimedia specifically, the official policy of theirs has always been that if you recognize Taiwan, you are no friend of them. I don't think the Chinese delegate there cares about free knowledge, further it's their job literally to say no to Taiwan recongition anywhere on earth. So why should we be surprised that China does this when the United States federal government don't ca…

Basically. PRC blocks UN participation of any organization that doesn't follow official UN interpretation of One China. As how things should be. China's UN flexes last few years doing a good job demonstrating "the world" is more than the west. Some folks have a hard time coping with pacing non-white super power that represents 20% of the global population successfully lobbying for their own interests. Conveniently lo…

> a hard time coping with pacing non-white super power

One, regional power. Emerging superpower. But still lacking long-distance force projection capability.

Two, share of global population doesn’t give one the right to invade and subjugate a free population. Taiwan isn’t China. It doesn’t want to be China. The world has a definite interest in protecting it.

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