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Audacity fork dev quits due physical abuse by 4Chan

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Re: Audacity fork dev quits due physical abuse by 4Chan

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Post by arpstick »

normac2 wrote: post #20
tinus_hn wrote: post #18

There is no way to justify stabbing someone, but to blame it on ‘the hacker known as 4chan’ is a bit ridiculous. 4Chan is a website, it does not physically abuse people. This began with idiots stalking this developer at his home address. There are laws against stalking people. Those laws need to be applied to these people so they see, hey, if I act like an idiot and go stalk someone because people on a website are eg…

Like some of the other people here, I'm not going to assume 100% that this is real until more of the facts come out. That said, I wouldn't put this past people from 4chan in their crusade of nihilism and destruction. Of course 4chan is not a monolith and there are plenty of peaceful people there (especially outside of /b/) but at some point it becomes obvious that this is a place where some very dark people meet up o…

I would be more inclined to believe that the /g/ board (the board implicated) did what was accused if what happened was that he did something far more grave like saying he has an iphone that he absolutely loves and loves using MacOS.

Re: Audacity fork dev quits due physical abuse by 4Chan

#22

Post by normac2 »

arpstick wrote: post #21
normac2 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like some of the other people here, I'm not going to assume 100% that this is real until more of the facts come out. That said, I wouldn't put this past people from 4chan in their crusade of nihilism and destruction. Of course 4chan is not a monolith and there are plenty of peaceful people there (especially outside of /b/) but at some point it becomes obvious that this is a place where some very dark people meet up o…

I would be more inclined to believe that the /g/ board (the board implicated) did what was accused if what happened was that he did something far more grave like saying he has an iphone that he absolutely loves and loves using MacOS.

That's a solid joke, but I wonder, does that actually significantly tweak your priors in favor of this being untrue? All of these different boards have their own bizarro codes of honor, so I wouldn't be surprised.

Re: Audacity fork dev quits due physical abuse by 4Chan

#24

Post by alabamacadabra »

brnt wrote: post #14
alabamacadabra wrote: post #10

These are serious allegations. Allegations of such seriousness should require proof of equally serious merit before conclusions are drawn. Also, why does it seem this particular website or sites like Reddit become personified through action whereas Facebook, YT, Video Games etc don’t? We don’t say “a crazy person from counter strike” we say, “a crazy person playing X or Y game”. The framing here to this story is stra…

Most people don't walk around recording evidence all day long. Which attackers know and make use of. So the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, and a good system acknowledges that. In this particular case, there seems to have been evidence submitted to the police, so why you would say there is none is strange to me.

I have been on the internet for a very long time. Someone telling a story, no matter how emotional or dramatic is merely doing that: telling a story. Until there are real-world facts to back this story up: police report, pictures of any wound, etc. please take it with a grain of salt. There are many implicit biases on the internet and not all of them are obvious. I find it plausible that some people who browse 4chan attacked this person. I also find it plausible that it’s entirely unrelated or fabricated. What do I have which can sway my opinion other than what legally is known as “Hearsay”?

Re: Audacity fork dev quits due physical abuse by 4Chan

#25

Post by alabamacadabra »

normac2 wrote: post #20
tinus_hn wrote: post #18

There is no way to justify stabbing someone, but to blame it on ‘the hacker known as 4chan’ is a bit ridiculous. 4Chan is a website, it does not physically abuse people. This began with idiots stalking this developer at his home address. There are laws against stalking people. Those laws need to be applied to these people so they see, hey, if I act like an idiot and go stalk someone because people on a website are eg…

Like some of the other people here, I'm not going to assume 100% that this is real until more of the facts come out. That said, I wouldn't put this past people from 4chan in their crusade of nihilism and destruction. Of course 4chan is not a monolith and there are plenty of peaceful people there (especially outside of /b/) but at some point it becomes obvious that this is a place where some very dark people meet up o…

I truly think you’re giving way too much credit to those people.

Re: Audacity fork dev quits due physical abuse by 4Chan

#26

Post by pfundstein »

Rychard wrote: post #13

> cookiengineer claims 4chan members took things considerably further, including into physical harassment. He claimed: "It was attempted murder with an illegal butterfly knife. In the whole state of Germany, butterfly knifes are considered an illegal weapon. There were three witnesses in place that saw the incident. I was slit in the arm. On private property, that you have to physically break into in order to enter."…

Good to hear that he's pursuing it along legal channels.

It also highlights the importance of managing your private information online, and what can be derived from your various "profile names".

Re: Audacity fork dev quits due physical abuse by 4Chan

#27

Post by Reylee »

normac2 wrote: post #22
arpstick wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would be more inclined to believe that the /g/ board (the board implicated) did what was accused if what happened was that he did something far more grave like saying he has an iphone that he absolutely loves and loves using MacOS.

That's a solid joke, but I wonder, does that actually significantly tweak your priors in favor of this being untrue? All of these different boards have their own bizarro codes of honor, so I wouldn't be surprised.

what do you mean "joke"?

Re: Audacity fork dev quits due physical abuse by 4Chan

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Post by philpem »

pfundstein wrote: post #26
Rychard wrote: post #13

> cookiengineer claims 4chan members took things considerably further, including into physical harassment. He claimed: "It was attempted murder with an illegal butterfly knife. In the whole state of Germany, butterfly knifes are considered an illegal weapon. There were three witnesses in place that saw the incident. I was slit in the arm. On private property, that you have to physically break into in order to enter."…

Good to hear that he's pursuing it along legal channels. It also highlights the importance of managing your private information online, and what can be derived from your various "profile names".

I wonder if the advice about having different passwords to different sites needs to be expanded: have different, unrelated usernames too.

Re: Audacity fork dev quits due physical abuse by 4Chan

#29

Post by philpem »

stefan_ wrote: post #7

Why would anyone in particular 4chan care about this fork? It's like 20 commits (but apparently 20 weeks of drama) ahead of audacity and you already need a decoder ring to read this thread.

I've had my house egged and repainted, and been physically assaulted at events over baseless personal grudges held by others. You could tell me they hate the guy just for existing, and it'd be 100% believable.

If I had to guess - I'd say it was down to refusing their name suggestion. Which is a really damn petty reason to hate someone, but one I can entirely believe. One of the personal grudges I was dragged into was exactly that petty.

The internet has been well overdue for a good chlorine dosing for a long time.

Re: Audacity fork dev quits due physical abuse by 4Chan

#30

Post by unethical_ban »

alabamacadabra wrote: post #10

These are serious allegations. Allegations of such seriousness should require proof of equally serious merit before conclusions are drawn. Also, why does it seem this particular website or sites like Reddit become personified through action whereas Facebook, YT, Video Games etc don’t? We don’t say “a crazy person from counter strike” we say, “a crazy person playing X or Y game”. The framing here to this story is stra…

>These are serious allegations. Allegations of such seriousness should require proof of equally serious merit before conclusions are drawn

No, they don't. This isn't a court of law, _HN_ certainly isn't the cretin-pit that 4chan is, and it fits well within 4chan's broader reputation as a magnet for ill-adjusted harassers to do something as stupid as this.

No one here is going to try to stab a 4channer, or dox a poster, or move for legislation by making the valid assumption that assholes on the Internet stalked a guy for a really stupid reason.

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