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Robinhood and Didi to Kick Off a Hot IPO Summer

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Re: Robinhood and Didi to Kick Off a Hot IPO Summer

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there's no way to bet against freshly issued IPOs, right?

I think for both shorting puts, there's a lockout period after the stock is issued. And limited inventory for borrowing.

Or has that changed?

I see almost all recent high-flying IPOs as overly inflated investor cashouts. Steve Blank had a post about this...

Re: Robinhood and Didi to Kick Off a Hot IPO Summer

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Is there any actual evidence this is true beyond just internet accusations?

There is evidence, was involved in it. Someone else took a screenshot. https://i.redd.it/86xuz0p7w2e61.jpg RH is a front for organised crime, selling data to Citadel so the can front run retailers trades. Hope to see Senate action on it at some point.

Merely speculation that that was done to favor their partner other than something else.

Re: Robinhood and Didi to Kick Off a Hot IPO Summer

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Nonsense. Clearing houses don't lose anything during a short squeeze, as long as funds committed to a trade actually clear. They aren't the ones on the hook for a short exploding. They raise their collateral requirements during a period of high volatility. As it turns out, when you run a zero-fee brokerage, you don't just have a couple of extra billions of dollars lying around that you can put up as collateral on a m…

> The only people allowed to naked short are market makers The SEC made naked short selling illegal after the 2008 financial crisis. Market makers are not allowed to naked short. > Clearing houses don't lose anything during a short squeeze, as long as funds committed to a trade actually clear Exactly my point — as long as funds clear , which they were at risk of not doing, thus putting clearing houses like the DTCC o…

> Not to mention the math on vote tallies in GME's latest 8-K filing from 2 days ago clearly proves more GME shares exist than should be mathematically possible, enabled only by naked short sellers who never covered.

You mean the 8-K that showed 55M votes out of 70M shares outstanding? How does that prove anything? Maybe you're confusing shares outstanding with the float.

Re: Robinhood and Didi to Kick Off a Hot IPO Summer

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post #21

there's no way to bet against freshly issued IPOs, right? I think for both shorting puts, there's a lockout period after the stock is issued. And limited inventory for borrowing. Or has that changed? I see almost all recent high-flying IPOs as overly inflated investor cashouts. Steve Blank had a post about this...

>there's no way to bet against freshly issued IPOs, right?

Sell call options? Buy puts?

Re: Robinhood and Didi to Kick Off a Hot IPO Summer

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There is evidence, was involved in it. Someone else took a screenshot. https://i.redd.it/86xuz0p7w2e61.jpg RH is a front for organised crime, selling data to Citadel so the can front run retailers trades. Hope to see Senate action on it at some point.

Merely speculation that that was done to favor their partner other than something else.

What is not speculation is that they restricted the buying of stocks while not restricting the selling. The rest, though it may be speculation, has enough circumstantial evidence to allow most regular folks to make up their mind.

The people who will invest in the IPO aren't going to be the people who lost money due to RH locking the purchasing of stocks and stopping the price from sky rocketing.

But in terms of a customer base, in terms of a company, RH are dust.

https://www.trustpilot.com/review/robinhood.com

Re: Robinhood and Didi to Kick Off a Hot IPO Summer

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post #25

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Merely speculation that that was done to favor their partner other than something else.

What is not speculation is that they restricted the buying of stocks while not restricting the selling. The rest, though it may be speculation, has enough circumstantial evidence to allow most regular folks to make up their mind. The people who will invest in the IPO aren't going to be the people who lost money due to RH locking the purchasing of stocks and stopping the price from sky rocketing. But in terms of a cus…

Robinhood has added millions of new accounts and the price of GME recently reached the same heights this past week for anyone that was still holding losses. A bunch of people gambling money isn't going to affect the company.

Re: Robinhood and Didi to Kick Off a Hot IPO Summer

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there any actual evidence this is true beyond just internet accusations?

There is evidence, was involved in it. Someone else took a screenshot. https://i.redd.it/86xuz0p7w2e61.jpg RH is a front for organised crime, selling data to Citadel so the can front run retailers trades. Hope to see Senate action on it at some point.

Front-running is already illegal and nobody cares about doing it for a bunch of small retail traders. Also buying stock requires funds to clear for 2 days while selling doesn't, that's why buying was restricted but selling wasn't.

Whether Robinhood should have had more capital or how those margin requirements were handled is a serious question but that's entirely separate than these accusations which seem to be made by people who have no idea how the system actually works.

Re: Robinhood and Didi to Kick Off a Hot IPO Summer

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These valuations are crazy - meaning one of two things are going to happen in the mid-term. Either we see inflation outside of asset prices (wage rises, increased consumer spending) and the revenue of these companies rise to justify the valuations, or we don't see that inflation and these stock prices slide since they can't justify their values. Now I'm not an economist - so maybe someone can help me out here. If the…

only know a little about economics but it seems very unlikely inflationary would drive up stocks more than it's driving up prices across the board. even if it were, the (subjective) large over-valuation of stocks wouldn't really be explain by an increase in money supply.

When the stock market collapses, it probably won't move inflation directly rather the collapse in demand across the economy will. second order effects as credit is no longer available due to banks panicking and govts intervening...

Re: Robinhood and Didi to Kick Off a Hot IPO Summer

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Merely speculation that that was done to favor their partner other than something else.

What is not speculation is that they restricted the buying of stocks while not restricting the selling. The rest, though it may be speculation, has enough circumstantial evidence to allow most regular folks to make up their mind. The people who will invest in the IPO aren't going to be the people who lost money due to RH locking the purchasing of stocks and stopping the price from sky rocketing. But in terms of a cus…

>What is not speculation is that they restricted the buying of stocks while not restricting the selling.

Yes but RH didn't have the billions of $$$ deposited at the clearing house for their trades to be honored. Buying stock to settle a few days later requires collateral that RH didn't have.

It may help to read through the answers: https://money.stackexchange.com/questions/136272/why-would-c...

This is why they scrambled at the last minute to raise billions to meet the higher collateral requirements: https://www.google.com/search?q=robinhood+2.4+3.4+billion

RH does some questionable things but their "restriction of the buying" is an inevitable consequence of not having the billions to meet any margin calls. They were the tail not the dog.

Re: Robinhood and Didi to Kick Off a Hot IPO Summer

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There is evidence, was involved in it. Someone else took a screenshot. https://i.redd.it/86xuz0p7w2e61.jpg RH is a front for organised crime, selling data to Citadel so the can front run retailers trades. Hope to see Senate action on it at some point.

That's not evidence that RH was: > supporting the short selling hedge funds Just to be clear: Robinhood claims that they prevented buying certain stocks because of increase collateral requirements by DTCC due to high volatility. Do you have any evidence that's untrue. Let's establish that before we move on to the claim that Citadel front-runs retail flow.

From my understanding, the reason the DTCC raised collaterals so heavily was mostly due to the risk on the short side. So they were protecting the hedge funds by protecting themselves, and it carried on to Robinhood. So Robinhood didn't really have a choice, but they still were protecting the shorts in the end.
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