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Switching from Mailchimp to open-source Mailtrain and AWS SES

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Re: Switching from Mailchimp to open-source Mailtrain and AWS SES

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To send 4k emails a month a 1€/month VPS running Exim is enough and takes 1h to set up. The real advantage is to have control over your own infrastructure and ensure the privacy of your reader base. The drawback is having to monitor blocklists and the reputation of your server IP address.

>The drawback is having to monitor blocklists and the reputation of your server IP address.

Which sound like big drawbacks for anything reasonably serious. Maybe if you're doing this at scale for clients but, then, you're potentially exposed to clients who can cause problems that affect other clients.

Re: Switching from Mailchimp to open-source Mailtrain and AWS SES

#22

To send 4k emails a month a 1€/month VPS running Exim is enough and takes 1h to set up. The real advantage is to have control over your own infrastructure and ensure the privacy of your reader base. The drawback is having to monitor blocklists and the reputation of your server IP address.

Deliverability is a thing. When most of your list recipients are on gmail, this is a good way to end up in spam for all of them.

People who believe this is a viable method to reach the inboxes of thousands of gmail users have never tried.

Re: Switching from Mailchimp to open-source Mailtrain and AWS SES

#23

For most reasonable applications that is basically a great advertisement for mailchimp, Eg if you rolled your own solution you’d only save eur 500 a year before accounting for the build and maintenance of your solution.

If you're in the EU you're also saving the GDPR fines. And the author probably saved 500 euros a year on a basic plan. But if you're on the top end plan you would save tens of thousands.

Re: Switching from Mailchimp to open-source Mailtrain and AWS SES

#24

To send 4k emails a month a 1€/month VPS running Exim is enough and takes 1h to set up. The real advantage is to have control over your own infrastructure and ensure the privacy of your reader base. The drawback is having to monitor blocklists and the reputation of your server IP address.

> To send 4k emails a month a 1€/month VPS running Exim is enough and takes 1h to set up.

You can use a VPS for web projects. For e-mail you'd want a dedicated server with a separate IP that is going to cost you €40/month. Yes it may take 1h to set up, but gaining reputation takes time - you definitely won't be able to reach all recipients within one hour of purchasing the server.

Re: Switching from Mailchimp to open-source Mailtrain and AWS SES

#25

For most reasonable applications that is basically a great advertisement for mailchimp, Eg if you rolled your own solution you’d only save eur 500 a year before accounting for the build and maintenance of your solution.

Assuming that the newsletter application is a fairly stable release and it's on a package manager or auto updates via docker. The management of that is probably pretty low.

Re: Switching from Mailchimp to open-source Mailtrain and AWS SES

#26

For most reasonable applications that is basically a great advertisement for mailchimp, Eg if you rolled your own solution you’d only save eur 500 a year before accounting for the build and maintenance of your solution.

This line of reasoning is how to tell the difference between a manager and an engineer :)

An engineer should recognize what is worth their time. If setting this up takes more than 5hour a year of time to setup and maintain then it’s not worth it. You’ll be wasting money

Re: Switching from Mailchimp to open-source Mailtrain and AWS SES

#27

For most reasonable applications that is basically a great advertisement for mailchimp, Eg if you rolled your own solution you’d only save eur 500 a year before accounting for the build and maintenance of your solution.

Except mailchimp has dumbed it’s interface down so much that maintaining it takes far more time than installing a package like this or paying a small fee for a similar SES backed service like Mail Octopus.

Re: Switching from Mailchimp to open-source Mailtrain and AWS SES

#28

I know that one of the very hard problems with automating email is not landing in the spam folder. I always had the impression that using services like Mailchimp make that much less likely than doing it DIY on top of a more commodity transport like SES. I.e. they stay on top of and evolve with best practices over time so you don't have to. Is that in any way accurate?

> I.e. they stay on top of and evolve with best practices over time so you don't have to. > Is that in any way accurate?

For the most part, yes.

It's all about delivering as much information as possible to aid the receiver with the spam detection process. The goal is to reduce false positives/negatives. The beauty of this is of course that if you are in fact sending spam, this will work against you. Mailchimp does this very well, they actually have people working for them with 'email deliverability expert' as their job title.

The problem is that rolling a simple email sending solution is trivial to set up, but hard to get right. It takes surprisingly significant engineering resources to build a solution that complies with all the relevant RFCs, scales nicely and follows new developments. Resources that are probably much better spend elsewhere.

My job is helping customers optimise their email infrastructure [0], I have analysed hundreds of domains, and my observation is that the vast majority of home-grown email solutions lack even the basic provisions for deliverability.

My advice: don't roll your own email solution, unless you can afford full-time engineers to do so. There certainly is a tipping point (as always) where building your own solution is more cost effective as a SaaS solution, but that is certainly not at 500€/Year.

[0] Disclaimer: I'm the founder of Mailhardener

Re: Switching from Mailchimp to open-source Mailtrain and AWS SES

#29

To send 4k emails a month a 1€/month VPS running Exim is enough and takes 1h to set up. The real advantage is to have control over your own infrastructure and ensure the privacy of your reader base. The drawback is having to monitor blocklists and the reputation of your server IP address.

> To send 4k emails a month a 1€/month VPS running Exim is enough and takes 1h to set up. You can use a VPS for web projects. For e-mail you'd want a dedicated server with a separate IP that is going to cost you €40/month. Yes it may take 1h to set up, but gaining reputation takes time - you definitely won't be able to reach all recipients within one hour of purchasing the server.

I've done it and it worked. Without the €40/month.

Re: Switching from Mailchimp to open-source Mailtrain and AWS SES

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This doesn't sound like a good deal for the average business with zero experiencing managing their mail. One spam block and you're done, you'll spend at least a week dealing with that.

This calculus makes sense, unless what you're moving away from has no functional delivery assurances and regularly has server errors and downtime.

And customer service that denies their own problems.

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