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Switching from Mailchimp to open-source Mailtrain and AWS SES

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Re: Switching from Mailchimp to open-source Mailtrain and AWS SES

#11
I know that one of the very hard problems with automating email is not landing in the spam folder.

I always had the impression that using services like Mailchimp make that much less likely than doing it DIY on top of a more commodity transport like SES. I.e. they stay on top of and evolve with best practices over time so you don't have to.

Is that in any way accurate?

Re: Switching from Mailchimp to open-source Mailtrain and AWS SES

#12

For most reasonable applications that is basically a great advertisement for mailchimp, Eg if you rolled your own solution you’d only save eur 500 a year before accounting for the build and maintenance of your solution.

This line of reasoning is how to tell the difference between a manager and an engineer :)

Re: Switching from Mailchimp to open-source Mailtrain and AWS SES

#14

I know that one of the very hard problems with automating email is not landing in the spam folder. I always had the impression that using services like Mailchimp make that much less likely than doing it DIY on top of a more commodity transport like SES. I.e. they stay on top of and evolve with best practices over time so you don't have to. Is that in any way accurate?

Not in our experience, we've only used SES to send emails and haven't had any reports of Customers not receiving emails or any of our emails having ended up in their spam folder, although we've never sent any marketing or promotional emails so our flagged rates should be really low.

Re: Switching from Mailchimp to open-source Mailtrain and AWS SES

#15

For most reasonable applications that is basically a great advertisement for mailchimp, Eg if you rolled your own solution you’d only save eur 500 a year before accounting for the build and maintenance of your solution.

This line of reasoning is how to tell the difference between a manager and an engineer :)

And then, it is not even your own solution, but AWS SES.

I have been running mail servers for 20+ years, sending volumes that would have made me multiple times bancrupt if I was doing it via Mailchimp or SES.

Re: Switching from Mailchimp to open-source Mailtrain and AWS SES

#16
To send 4k emails a month a 1€/month VPS running Exim is enough and takes 1h to set up.

The real advantage is to have control over your own infrastructure and ensure the privacy of your reader base.

The drawback is having to monitor blocklists and the reputation of your server IP address.

Re: Switching from Mailchimp to open-source Mailtrain and AWS SES

#18

I know that one of the very hard problems with automating email is not landing in the spam folder. I always had the impression that using services like Mailchimp make that much less likely than doing it DIY on top of a more commodity transport like SES. I.e. they stay on top of and evolve with best practices over time so you don't have to. Is that in any way accurate?

I moved my mailing list (all explicit subscribes, plaintext content) from Mailchimp to an SES-based solution in part for better handling of plaintext email, which is a total afterthought for most of these tools. Since the switch I have experienced minor hard rejection problems with SES that I didn't before, primarily with Apple Mail and rarely with gmail as well. I wouldn't say it's been a huge problem for me, in part because I don't care that much, but as far as I can tell Apple Mail was rejecting 100% of what I sent for a while while gmail just sporadically randomly rejects an email from time to time, not even the same email across multiple recipients.

Re: Switching from Mailchimp to open-source Mailtrain and AWS SES

#20

500€ is 5 hours of labor. If you are skilled and everything works right away you may only spend 2 hours on the self-maintained solution which means you save 3 hours or in other words … nothing. You also have to maintain/update the system, maybe spend time teaching other people. It’s not worth the effort. If you don’t have expert knowledge in the required tools/services, it will take much longer than 5 hours to set up…

> 500€ is 5 hours of labor

Only if someone will pay you for those 5 hours. Otherwise may as well say they’re worth 37 starfish or 92 leprechauns.

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