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Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by _6pvr »

robbrown451 wrote: post #12
_6pvr wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The joke is asserting that hot tub streams aren't sexually suggestive. The twitch community seems to love them, so of course Twitch will fight tooth and nail to keep them. But to suggest that they aren't sexually suggestive (and by proxy against Twitch ToS) is an absolute joke. They look like clowns.

They don't say that. Did you actually read what they wrote? It is very nuanced. Their rule is that it can't be "overtly or explicitly sexually suggestive", and they acknowledge that it lies on a spectrum. They have to draw the line somewhere. To some people, for instance the Amish or fundamentalism Muslims, the line is very different from that of typical Westerners.

> There has been confusion around whether streams from hot tubs are permissible under our current policies, and we understand why our rules as written have contributed to that confusion. Under our current Nudity & Attire and Sexually Suggestive Content policies, streamers may appear in swimwear in contextually appropriate situations (at the beach, in a hot tub, for example), and we allow creative expression like body writing and body painting, provided the streamer has appropriate coverage as outlined by our attire policy. Nudity or sexually explicit content (which we define as pornography, sex acts, and sexual services) are not allowed on Twitch.

I again ask, is wearing a bikini, facing away from a camera and touching your toes for $5 not a sexual service?

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by eertami »

So no changes really, except they've made it a distinct category so that people can find this content easily without leaving the site and going to something like booba.tv for discovery (nsfw I guess, it is curated links to "sexually suggestive" twitch streamers).

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by [deleted] »

autocorr wrote: post #10

> Community and advertiser feedback made clear that we need to offer more ways to control the content that’s recommended as well as where ads appear. So, we’re introducing a new category: Pools, Hot Tubs, and Beaches. If you have chosen swimwear that is allowed under the “Swim and Beaches” contextual exception to our standard Nudity and Attire policy, you should stream into the Pools, Hot Tubs and Beaches category. P…

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Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by qsort »

autocorr wrote: post #10

> Community and advertiser feedback made clear that we need to offer more ways to control the content that’s recommended as well as where ads appear. So, we’re introducing a new category: Pools, Hot Tubs, and Beaches. If you have chosen swimwear that is allowed under the “Swim and Beaches” contextual exception to our standard Nudity and Attire policy, you should stream into the Pools, Hot Tubs and Beaches category. P…

Because many people like softcore pornography but they are too much of a prude to admit they do, in fact, enjoy watching softcore pornography.

Also, advertisers wouldn't like it.

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Post by acidbaseextract »

autocorr wrote: post #10

> Community and advertiser feedback made clear that we need to offer more ways to control the content that’s recommended as well as where ads appear. So, we’re introducing a new category: Pools, Hot Tubs, and Beaches. If you have chosen swimwear that is allowed under the “Swim and Beaches” contextual exception to our standard Nudity and Attire policy, you should stream into the Pools, Hot Tubs and Beaches category. P…

Probably the lost ad revenue. No company wants to advertise on those streams. By breaking them out in way where advertisers could opt out of that stream category, suggestive streamers (a huge segment of traffic) would lose money for Twitch.

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Post by Semaphor »

parsimo2010 wrote: post #9

They claim that they only prohibit things that are intentionally suggestive, but every streamer is afraid to accidentally show their feet because they get a ban. Twitch has inconsistencies in the way they apply their policies, and they sometimes don’t even tell a streamer why they got a ban. Creating a beach and hot tub category is the least of their worries. But at least it makes it easier for me to intentionally fi…

every streamer? Hard disagree, I see feet commonly and never never even heard of this.

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by agogdog »

autocorr wrote: post #10

> Community and advertiser feedback made clear that we need to offer more ways to control the content that’s recommended as well as where ads appear. So, we’re introducing a new category: Pools, Hot Tubs, and Beaches. If you have chosen swimwear that is allowed under the “Swim and Beaches” contextual exception to our standard Nudity and Attire policy, you should stream into the Pools, Hot Tubs and Beaches category. P…

Is being at a beach sexually suggestive? I think they're making a good point here by making this distinction include overtly and explicitly.

We've grown into a society where nudity (or near nudity) is equated with sexual suggestiveness by default... and it seems strange.

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by robbrown451 »

didibus wrote: post #11

> Sexually suggestive content–and where to draw the line–is an area that is particularly complex to assess, as sexual suggestiveness is a spectrum that involves some degree of personal interpretation of where the line falls This is just in general why I have an issue with prudeness in our society. I have no idea where prudeness comes from, is it innate to some people? Is it a taught trait? But it seems to cause so mu…

Probably it comes from the fact that humans are so naturally attracted to things sexual in nature, that without controls the whole world would look like the seediest red light district you can imagine. With everyone competing to be more and more extreme to get attention.
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