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The Antiscience Movement Is Escalating, Going Global and Killing Thousands

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Re: The Antiscience Movement Is Escalating, Going Global and Killing Thousands

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post #7

Stopped reading at "a key feature of the political right" - the political left has adopted many anti-scientific ideas, too (if you want an example, take gender ideology and critical race theory, or belief that socialism works). People rightfully reject publications that write nonsense like that. If such a publication calls itself "science something something", or worse, has a longstanding reputation for representing…

Indeed. Only if you ignore anti-vaxxers, healing crystals, “food without chemicals”, essential oils, etc can you say with a straight face anti-science is a problem driven by the right. It’s hard to take an article seriously when it only points the finger in one direction.

The article doesn’t claim that only those who lean right deny science. It claims only the right has embraced science-denial as a major political platform. There are plenty of science-denying democrats. There aren’t many (to my knowledge) science-denying policies, platforms, or official talking points of the democratic party. The same cannot be said of the GOP.

Re: The Antiscience Movement Is Escalating, Going Global and Killing Thousands

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post #7

Stopped reading at "a key feature of the political right" - the political left has adopted many anti-scientific ideas, too (if you want an example, take gender ideology and critical race theory, or belief that socialism works). People rightfully reject publications that write nonsense like that. If such a publication calls itself "science something something", or worse, has a longstanding reputation for representing…

Indeed. Only if you ignore anti-vaxxers, healing crystals, “food without chemicals”, essential oils, etc can you say with a straight face anti-science is a problem driven by the right. It’s hard to take an article seriously when it only points the finger in one direction.

I think you're talking about certain subjects being more prevalent in left- or right-wing communities.

That's different from making opposition to science a political priority. Yeah, there's kooks on the left who go for healing crystals–but that's not incorporated into left politics. On the other hand, elected Republicans have actively fought in the political arena against climate issues being taken seriously.

This shows up in other areas, too, such as the Dickey Amendment that discouraged CDC research re: guns as a public health matter.

Re: The Antiscience Movement Is Escalating, Going Global and Killing Thousands

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I’ve been pro science all my life but heavy censorship on coronavirus made me change my mind, perhaps blame is on the censorers a bit, no? If it is truly science, why censor the ideas of others?

Something about a lie making it half way across the world before the truth can get its boots on. We, as a general population, have proven that completely uncensored speech gives way too much weight to ideas that have no merit.

> We, as a general population, have proven that completely uncensored speech gives way too much weight to ideas that have no merit.

That sounds like it'll get pretty scary once you start following the road.

Re: The Antiscience Movement Is Escalating, Going Global and Killing Thousands

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The antivax movement is ridiculous and hopefully the necessity of covid vaccinations will destroy it as should have happened years ago.

Similarly, the evidence for climate change is pretty much undeniable now and I can only assume that those pretending it doesn't exist are not honest actors.

But the lockdown scepticism I can kind of understand as it is more of a political issue - the cost/benefit of lockdown and depending on the type of lockdown, if it will even be effective.

It seems the usual rational decisions over medical intervention based on quality-adjusted life years etc. has been abandoned in favour of emotional arguments.

China showed us lockdowns can work, but these "lockdowns" we have now just seem to be political theatre with little effect on transmission. The politicians want to give the impression of doing something because actually effective measures like closing workplaces and schools would be too expensive/difficult.

Re: The Antiscience Movement Is Escalating, Going Global and Killing Thousands

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I’ve been pro science all my life but heavy censorship on coronavirus made me change my mind, perhaps blame is on the censorers a bit, no? If it is truly science, why censor the ideas of others?

You can't be 'pro' objective truths; science is not a faith you can believe in or not. That's the problem here. It's the defenders of science that are also in the wrong, because why do you feel like you have to defend things like that?

Re: The Antiscience Movement Is Escalating, Going Global and Killing Thousands

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This conflates "official positions of authorities" with "science".

It's like a modern religion, with three tenets: (1) science made everything around us (iPhones and airplanes!) (2) we speak for science (3) therefore you must believe our conclusions.

But in fact, that's the opposite of a proper scientific attitude, which always admits doubt, and believes experiment over authority.

As for why authorities are increasingly losing trust, I think it's because they've been rather unreliable recently.

To use just one glaring example, the official advice on masks went overnight from, "they're useless!" to "you're killing people if you don't use them!".

Both positions were condescendingly presented as "the science". A lot of people will start to lose trust when you so glaringly contradict yourself in such a rapid amount of time.

In general, the approach seems to be when crafting public advice to not worry about presenting an accurate picture of our current knowledge, but just pick a position, pretend we are certain it is true, and hand it down as the infallible words of Science. (See also: our ever changing dietary recommendations.)

Re: The Antiscience Movement Is Escalating, Going Global and Killing Thousands

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When science is weaponized by politicians and when the media is lying about everything intentionally, and being concentrated by very few conglomerates, it isn't anti-science as much as it is anti-media. Just because the media screams "science" doesn't make them the voice of science.

Re: The Antiscience Movement Is Escalating, Going Global and Killing Thousands

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post #24

One of true skills of 21st century is to discern Science from Scientism. As a rule of thumb, 'respect my authoritah' is not a scientific argument. Relying on blunt tools of persuasion alienates people irrespective of scientific substance.

You mean like holding up signs trying to persuade people vaccines are bad?
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