I’ve been pro science all my life but heavy censorship on coronavirus made me change my mind, perhaps blame is on the censorers a bit, no?
If it is truly science, why censor the ideas of others?
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#12Stopped reading at "a key feature of the political right" - the political left has adopted many anti-scientific ideas, too (if you want an example, take gender ideology and critical race theory, or belief that socialism works). People rightfully reject publications that write nonsense like that. If such a publication calls itself "science something something", or worse, has a longstanding reputation for representing…
science is still great. "scientific consensus" has taken over in many places where people used to mean "scientific method"; and thats not great but still fits into "believe the science" for the people putting logos on signs.
Science doesn't care what we believe.
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#13Any group/person/movement with any agenda other than promoting science and reason must necessarily be against science and reason at points. Any “agendaism” must be prepared to attack science and reason as well as proponents of science and reason. I’m not suggesting other agendas aren’t important. Rather that they can incur a science-debt, and don’t typically have the motivation to pay it off.
Edit: I should be clear that I’m speaking about the scientific process: admit you may not have full understandings, devise experiments to test/expand understanding, execute, interpret, repeat.
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#14I’ve been pro science all my life but heavy censorship on coronavirus made me change my mind, perhaps blame is on the censorers a bit, no? If it is truly science, why censor the ideas of others?
Something about a lie making it half way across the world before the truth can get its boots on.
We, as a general population, have proven that completely uncensored speech gives way too much weight to ideas that have no merit.
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#15The irony here is that this article is published by Scientific American, who themselves have abandoned science on topics that relate to ideological issues.
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#16How about we just take away their phones. Without science there wouldn't be any anyway.
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#17Stopped reading at "a key feature of the political right" - the political left has adopted many anti-scientific ideas, too (if you want an example, take gender ideology and critical race theory, or belief that socialism works). People rightfully reject publications that write nonsense like that. If such a publication calls itself "science something something", or worse, has a longstanding reputation for representing…
I’m surprised that Sci Am published this. The hyper partisan language immediately caused me to doubt the veracity of the claims the author makes.
And that’s an understatement.
Sci Am used to be a quality magazine. No more.
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#18Stopped reading at "a key feature of the political right" - the political left has adopted many anti-scientific ideas, too (if you want an example, take gender ideology and critical race theory, or belief that socialism works). People rightfully reject publications that write nonsense like that. If such a publication calls itself "science something something", or worse, has a longstanding reputation for representing…
There is plenty of antiscience on the left (chemtrails, 5g, anti-vax).
But critical race theory is a deliberately extreme academic model of the world, and it actually turns out to be a useful model. To complain that it is not a falsifiable model misses the point of what literary "theory" is for.
Your post smells like a bad faith dogwhistle, rather than an attempt to discuss something.
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#19Lysenko was scientist with stellar credibility, he was wrong, but that happens in science. Main problem was not "anti science", but turning science into religion. Unproven theories were implemented too fast, without enough tests and verifications.
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#20It's odd that the author only traces the political aspect back to 2015, when climate change denial has been a political issue since the turn of the millennium: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_policy_of_the...
And I'd heard of the anti-vaxx movement in the mid-90's.
Certainly, though it was mostly ignored by major political parties in those days.
And WRT EamonnMR's point, while the article invokes 'antiscience' as a movement, its author is clearly only interested in medical science. Personally, I'm not convinced that there is a unitary, consolidated anti-science movement, though it might be developing.