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The CyberTruck starts at $39,900. Ford has to be in that ballpark to compete if they want to remain a going concern.
Just like the Model 3 is $35k ;)
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#22The patterns only going to become more pronounced from here on out. My guess is that we’re going to See a electric bulbs style phase out of gasoline engines announced over the next two years. If I’m Ford or GM I’m gonna try and get my hands on some of that sweet sweet tesla speculation cash in the form of a buy out as quickly as possible. Solves the technology platform problems too. If VW couldn’t handle it, why do y…
I think you are more right than wrong in your prediction, but “over the next two years” seems so incredibly optimistic that I’m inclined to call it naïveté instead.
So he might be right when he says the next two years, because in 5 years it will have been too late already :)
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#23I really love the F-150 and it's size, but I don't need all the power it comes with and would love it to be a little more fuel efficient. I realize the coming hybrid model is going to be a fortune more than the non hybrid, but I am curious how expensive an all-electric model will be.
If you calculate the battery required to pull that off, its actually insane.
Ford talks a big game about electric F-150 but I bet the numbers will be more limited then many people hope.
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Just like the Model 3 is $35k ;)
Alright, so then $43k to compete, given typical Elon Musk numbers. Still a hard bar!
Re: Ford Makes $29B Commitment to Electric and Self-Driving Cars
#25The patterns only going to become more pronounced from here on out. My guess is that we’re going to See a electric bulbs style phase out of gasoline engines announced over the next two years. If I’m Ford or GM I’m gonna try and get my hands on some of that sweet sweet tesla speculation cash in the form of a buy out as quickly as possible. Solves the technology platform problems too. If VW couldn’t handle it, why do y…
The chances that Tesla will buy out a legacy auto company are zero. It makes no sense. They are all saddled with crushing debt loads, dealer networks, and stranded assets. None of them have anything Tesla needs to become the largest car manufacturer in history by 2030.
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#27It seems like I’ve seen this movie before. A large automotive consortium puts out an optimistic press release announcing its full commitment to EVs https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1086902_volkswagen-will... Then it turns out that the primary cost contributor to an EV is the cost of batteries. Automakers being relative nobodies on the lithium market, they are paying retail for it and passing the mark-ups to you,…
We're at the bottom of the hockey stick here. There is no "discontinued lineup", in 10 years if you don't have a viable EV platform, you are closing your doors. It might be sooner than that.
By the time Ford even starts to see return on their $29B it's likely to be a whole new game. I wouldn't be surprised if they were acquired for the brand name or to assemble someone else's technology. Apple seems to be interested in outsourcing assembly, maybe Ford can get in on that.
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#28I really love the F-150 and it's size, but I don't need all the power it comes with and would love it to be a little more fuel efficient. I realize the coming hybrid model is going to be a fortune more than the non hybrid, but I am curious how expensive an all-electric model will be.
Because you don't, doesn't other don't either. Quite the opposite. [and yes, I do need the >2000lb payload capacity.]
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#29It seems like I’ve seen this movie before. A large automotive consortium puts out an optimistic press release announcing its full commitment to EVs https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1086902_volkswagen-will... Then it turns out that the primary cost contributor to an EV is the cost of batteries. Automakers being relative nobodies on the lithium market, they are paying retail for it and passing the mark-ups to you,…
This so much sounds like all the PR stunt cars that renault put out. You literally have to lease a battery on top of the absurd prices, and you cannot get it changed for free, even when you lease it. Which makes all their cars basically useless after a year of usage, because the batteries are embedded in their chassis. Every time I compare European manufacturers to Tesla and Nissan, they are such a bad joke. Nissan h…
VWG and Renault are outselling Nissan by 2-3x in terms of BEV. And you don't have to lease the battery. The Renault Zoe is the second most sold EV in Europe.
And I'm not sure what you mean by Tesla are not made to be repaired', that not the case. Tesla doesn't deliver parts as fast as other manufacturers but there is nothing inherent that makes it hard to repair.
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#30It seems like I’ve seen this movie before. A large automotive consortium puts out an optimistic press release announcing its full commitment to EVs https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1086902_volkswagen-will... Then it turns out that the primary cost contributor to an EV is the cost of batteries. Automakers being relative nobodies on the lithium market, they are paying retail for it and passing the mark-ups to you,…
This so much sounds like all the PR stunt cars that renault put out. You literally have to lease a battery on top of the absurd prices, and you cannot get it changed for free, even when you lease it. Which makes all their cars basically useless after a year of usage, because the batteries are embedded in their chassis. Every time I compare European manufacturers to Tesla and Nissan, they are such a bad joke. Nissan h…
And didn’t Renault start selling cars with batteries, without forcing you to lease them, years ago? Or are there still some markets where they don’t do it?