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Deplatforming Is Wrong

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Re: Deplatforming Is Wrong

#21
Deplatforming is right.

Private companies have TOSes. They are publishing user content and they must act for child p*rn or violence.

Go talk again with your politicians if you want to change that. There is no online court, just executives that have to uphold the law, just like everybody else

Re: Deplatforming Is Wrong

#22
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When a platform refuses to monitor and remove seditious activity and incitement for violence is when they fail and need to be dropped.

Should twitter be deplatformed for allowing the Hang Pence hashtag to trend the day after the the riots?

Re: Deplatforming Is Wrong

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Until they move to another platform which cannot be dropped / de-platformed. Meanwhile Gab gets another 600,000 sign ups. The point is, it is still alive there and is getting stronger by the minute. Well done for showing that de-platforming is working and that it is reducing and removing 'seditious activity'. /s (It isn't.)

Sorry to burst your bubble, but so far it has been rather clearly demonstrated that de-platforming works for diminishing interest and engagement with some of these more dangerous groups. It raises the bar for alternative systems, makes a casual redirect difficult (c.f. algorithmic push towards some of these groups due to perceived higher engagement/controversy), and generally puts the nutjobs into their own little ec…

Deplatforming, for the better or worse, is putting a bigger spotlight on decentralized platforms to mitigate the issue of hosting something that businesses are unwilling to touch. They'll always try to find a platform they can leech on that cannot be moderated as easily, because not one holds the keys to the kingdom.

I feel like that attempting to silence a group by deplatforming is similar to attempting to block/censor a service provided over the Internet, the network sees censorship as a system failure and it will always attempt to find a route around that.

Re: Deplatforming Is Wrong

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Sorry to burst your bubble, but so far it has been rather clearly demonstrated that de-platforming works for diminishing interest and engagement with some of these more dangerous groups. It raises the bar for alternative systems, makes a casual redirect difficult (c.f. algorithmic push towards some of these groups due to perceived higher engagement/controversy), and generally puts the nutjobs into their own little ec…

Deplatforming, for the better or worse, is putting a bigger spotlight on decentralized platforms to mitigate the issue of hosting something that businesses are unwilling to touch. They'll always try to find a platform they can leech on that cannot be moderated as easily, because not one holds the keys to the kingdom. I feel like that attempting to silence a group by deplatforming is similar to attempting to block/cen…

> the network sees censorship as a system failure and it will always attempt to find a route around that

No, it really doesn't. John was wrong. What happens is that 'censorship' is applied at a particular level of the stack and this forces people who want to share or view the content to move to a more complicated and expensive process at a higher level of abstraction in the delivery stack. This is because decentralized systems are less efficient and because, so far, decentralized systems have incredibly shitty UX. You can shine a spotlight on decentralized alternatives and they may get a little bit of attention, but the attention will not last long enough to have a significant impact. The true believers may try to make the effort for a while, but they will slowly drift back to spending most of their time using the easiest possible mechanism and tool because they actually have other things to do with their time and life.

Re: Deplatforming Is Wrong

#26

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Can you cite or link to What Trump said to incite the siege on the capital (as opposed to just getting people to its steps peacefully as he’s been talking about for 2 weeks)? Honest question...I literally can’t find it anywhere. I want to know what he said to incite violence. I assume he broke the law in-doing so as it’s illegal to call for violence I think.

Not Trump, Parler was full of seditious calls for violence against politicians. And Parler was either unwilling or unable to delete all of it.

But the claim is that Trump said something to incite it... hence why he was booted from Twitter and impeached. But what did he say? Asking for a friend.
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