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My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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Post by ccleve »

minusthebrandon wrote: post #5
echelon wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a bit like saying addictive drugs themselves aren't a problem. Technology is designed to trick humans into engaging with it. They use us for profit. It's asymmetric warfare. One or two parents, with jobs and responsibilities, against kids with peer pressure and billion dollar industries hawking them on, claws in their back and brain.

My wife and I both work full-time and we still stick to my daughter's iPad restrictions: only an hour a day, no Instagram or TikTok or YouTube at all, and she only gets it after homework and chores and other things are done. We never take it anywhere. It's important that parents set AND KEEP boundaries. My daughter now knows not to expect to be able to Snapchat her friends or anyone else because she's never been able…

How old is your child? Whether you can get away with this very much depends on the child.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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Post by minusthebrandon »

londons_explore wrote: post #19
minusthebrandon wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My wife and I both work full-time and we still stick to my daughter's iPad restrictions: only an hour a day, no Instagram or TikTok or YouTube at all, and she only gets it after homework and chores and other things are done. We never take it anywhere. It's important that parents set AND KEEP boundaries. My daughter now knows not to expect to be able to Snapchat her friends or anyone else because she's never been able…

Lack of ability to snapchat friends might not seem important... But communication is key to nearly everything in life, and not being part of those snapchat rumours, disputes and controversies now will probably mean your daughter doesn't get as good at the skills to interact with her peers in 20 years time.

She interacts with her peers at school and with her family... by that same token, ANYONE who grew up before Snapchat or the Internet had or has lacking social skills.

Also, she CAN FaceTime. I would not consider Snapchat or TikTok to be "socializing with friends" for an 8 year old.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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Post by snazz »

londons_explore wrote: post #19
minusthebrandon wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My wife and I both work full-time and we still stick to my daughter's iPad restrictions: only an hour a day, no Instagram or TikTok or YouTube at all, and she only gets it after homework and chores and other things are done. We never take it anywhere. It's important that parents set AND KEEP boundaries. My daughter now knows not to expect to be able to Snapchat her friends or anyone else because she's never been able…

Lack of ability to snapchat friends might not seem important... But communication is key to nearly everything in life, and not being part of those snapchat rumours, disputes and controversies now will probably mean your daughter doesn't get as good at the skills to interact with her peers in 20 years time.

Yes. I don't know how old the GP's daughter is, but restricting communication apps—especially during a pandemic—seems counterproductive. TikTok, sure, whatever; it's a time suck and doesn't really help with social skills. But socializing online really matters now, especially for adolescents.

Edit: If she's eight years old, then this seems like a more reasonable restriction. Disregard what I said previously. Eleven or twelve might be a better time to get Snapchat, especially since that's about the time that most kids get their first smartphones today anyway.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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Post by lnsru »

Familiar teacher told me not to give any phone or tablet for school aged kids. I wanted to buy iPad for my son and then buy LEGO EV3. LEGO apparently does not like windows. But I’ll listen to the advice. She is in normal school in normal district, but there are enough cases of smartphone addiction. Kids are getting aggressive and need psychiatrist when the phone is being taken away. And these cases occur more and more often. So as a father I don’t want to open this can of works as long as I can. Schools should bad phones in the first place.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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Post by dijksterhuis »

echelon wrote: post #3
KungFuJohnny wrote: post #2

Title is completely misleading. The problem has nothing to do with an iPhone. It has 100% to do with bad parenting. The author even acknowledges this, but I guess blaming the iPhone gets more clicks than "Poor parenting harms child".

That's a bit like saying addictive drugs themselves aren't a problem. Technology is designed to trick humans into engaging with it. They use us for profit. It's asymmetric warfare. One or two parents, with jobs and responsibilities, against kids with peer pressure and billion dollar industries hawking them on, claws in their back and brain.

> That's a bit like saying addictive drugs themselves aren't a problem.

I mean... They're not. They're inanimate f----- objects. They've never maliciously set out to cause someone harm because they're inanimate f----- objects. They don't have an understanding of the concept of morals or ethics because they're inanimate f----- objects.

When I ingest them into my body -- that's when all hell breaks loose. They become a problem for me when I use them.

> Technology is designed to trick humans into engaging with it. They use us for profit.

Who is this mythical "they"?

Technology is designed to do many jobs. Some of them include gamification to "maximise engagement" or some other cringeworthy buzzword. Some of them are literally as simple as "turn the lights off at 10pm" or "wake me up at 10am".

It's how we, as a collective species, implement and use technology that's usually the problem.

"technology" itself is, again, an inanimate f----- object.

> It's asymmetric warfare. One or two parents, with jobs and responsibilities, against kids with peer pressure and billion dollar industries hawking them on, claws in their back and brain.

I think this is called life? Yes, lots of things all happen at the same time and there's alway societal pressures one way or another.

But calling it warfare is pretty extreme and may be something useful to reflect on.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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Post by mzkply »

monkin wrote: post #20

How is this “iPhone” fault? “Smartphone” isn’t good for SEO anymore?

The share of iPhone for today's teenagers is much higher than the regular population. Much of it from the natural progression from old iPod Touches, where they built their accounts, apps etc.

Looks like 85% share in the US: http://www.pipersandler.com/2col.aspx?id=287&releaseid=18206

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