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Uber Wasted $2.5B on Self-Driving Cars

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Re: Uber Wasted $2.5B on Self-Driving Cars

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I am not surprised. This is a competition between Tesla and Google, technology companies. I never saw Uber, a services company, as being part of this race.

That's a weird take. How come Tesla gets to be a technology company but Uber is a services company?

Re: Uber Wasted $2.5B on Self-Driving Cars

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I’ve become less convinced that governments are going to prioritize autonomous driving over electric.

There's more real money (hint: lobbying money) backing electric cars right now than there is backing autonomy since everyone in the industry knows it's at least 5 years before we get borderline level 4/99.99% reliable level 3 driving and a good 30 years before we get the 8+ nines that are needed to truly go to level 5 autonomy; most local laws are already well equipped to handle people using level 4 autonomy, so it i…

Commuting 10k miles/year is nothing special. Only four nines is still an accident every year.

Re: Uber Wasted $2.5B on Self-Driving Cars

#26

The real question should be: does driving a car requires human-level cognition?

Real world evidence would suggest that human-level cognition is not enough to safely drive a car

And yet, as of today self-driving cars aren't nearly as good as a human even after 2-3 beers.

Re: Uber Wasted $2.5B on Self-Driving Cars

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post #18

No one can read this article yet it is instantly upvoted to the very top of HN. Goes to show how discussion forums like this one just serve to amplify people's existing biases rather than actually educate them on anything new.

it could also be people who are hoping the crowd can elucidate them on the article for the same said reason

Re: Uber Wasted $2.5B on Self-Driving Cars

#28
I wrote this back in 2016 and I think it still holds today:

https://battlepenguin.com/tech/self-driving-cars-will-not-so...

Self driving cars are dumping an insane amount of time and effort into computer vision and AI for the wrong problem. For the amount of tax subsidies, our money, given to these companies, we could have put down insane amounts of rail. Hell, we could even do small personal autonomous rail car test programs in some cities and it would still be more useful than the current state of self-diving tech.

Self driving solves the wrong problem, and it's a good 15+ years until we see this vehicles, if we even see them at all.

Re: Uber Wasted $2.5B on Self-Driving Cars

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post #18

No one can read this article yet it is instantly upvoted to the very top of HN. Goes to show how discussion forums like this one just serve to amplify people's existing biases rather than actually educate them on anything new.

It’s been out since this morning for subscribers.

Re: Uber Wasted $2.5B on Self-Driving Cars

#30
Clearly, we should aim for a less ambitious goal: ultra-compact self driving vehicles on dedicated and physically separated lanes, where cars cannot be encountered unless it's their fault, similar to bike and tram lines.

This could increase city trafic capacity by an order of magnitude in congested central zones and suplement public transport in suburban, dispersed areas that cannot be properly served by buses.

And it could be done today, with simple algorithms: stay in your lane, coordinate with other vehicles and the trafic lights, and when anything that looks like an obstacle is in front, brake.

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