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Online Cash Bitcoin could Challenge Governments, Banks

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Re: Online Cash Bitcoin could Challenge Governments, Banks

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To me this press effort always seems like just people who already have bitcoins trying to get buyers to raise the price of the currency.

I'd call it as people who already have bitcoins trying to raise the value of the currency. The difference is that while I could use 1 BTC to buy 80¢ of US currency or a hundreds of them to buy drugs or something, I'd find it much more valuable to use them to buy coffee, food, and beer locally.

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This is what happens when you challenge governments and banks: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2451302

There are lots of examples of governments or large organisations taking down networks with single points of failure, but far fewer examples of taking down highly distributed networks like Bitcoin. I don't think this fight is a foregone conclusion. I think it would be difficult to write a law that would make Bitcoin illegal, without making things like MMO currencies or SSL certificates illegal.

From a practical standpoint, Bitcoin has other problems for using it in a real business -- mainly the fact that taxes are only payable in the coin of the realm.

If you are a real, legal business, do you want your entire personal and business future contingent on the ability to exchange bitcoin with dollars?

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This is what happens when you challenge governments and banks: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2451302

and this http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2436193

and this http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1978651

and this http://google.com/search?q=site:ycombinator.com+tsa+arrested

Re: Online Cash Bitcoin could Challenge Governments, Banks

#24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really doubt the true goal is to raise the value of bitcoins already held. I don't think "forex" speculators take a serious interest in bitcoin yet, but rather, those using it would like to see wider adoption so that they can actually buy things with it. A current problem is that it is highly volatile and fairly illiquid. Most adopters have a genuine interest in the success of an alternative currency rather than tr…

There are many, many bitcoin speculators. I know because I was one, sort of. Large bitcoin holders currently have in excess of $250k in BTC value, much of it purchased at $.02/BTC -$.05/BTC originally. There are a few people making their daily living trading, generating and exchanging BitCoins. Just the top of the iceberg, I imagine. The payment problems are exactly as you describe. Interestingly, it would definitely…

You don't need a US-based exchange for BTC, per se, as other currencies are traded on the open market and the brokers simply relay quotes to their customers via feeds they receive rom the banks. If the banks saw the potential to make money off of trading BTC, they'd make it happen.

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#25
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Bitcoin is really cool. I just wish I knew what to sell to get some. My dabbling with mining bitcoins has convinced me it requires a on-all-the-time setup to mine with any prayer of success. Last time I looked, there didn't seem to be a real economy, just people trading bitcoins. ~.~

People sell real stuff all the time over the bitcoin forums. Whatever you have (old computer stuff, time on your hands, ...), you can probably sell it for bitcoins.

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I have a hard time getting excited about a currency when the main reasons given for it's existence are for online gambling and Wikileak donations. I would be excited about a dollar alternative that allowed the common person to protect themselves from the inflationary rot that the US Congress is hell-bent on subjecting us to.

Those are the first uses because online gamblers and muckraking NGOs are the ones most desperate for an alternative to a government-issued currency. If the average person was unable to function with inflationary currencies, they'd find an alternative.

People don't just utilize things in order to function: think iPhone. Wikileaks and gambling will sink bitcoin before it can mean anything.

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#27
post #16

Bitcoin is really cool. I just wish I knew what to sell to get some. My dabbling with mining bitcoins has convinced me it requires a on-all-the-time setup to mine with any prayer of success. Last time I looked, there didn't seem to be a real economy, just people trading bitcoins. ~.~

Don't bother trying to get lucky on the 50BTC block bounty; join a pool that splits the winnings. Pools provide well over half the calculation capacity of the Bitcoin system, most are free to join and ones worth joining don't have any real requirements.

I make about 1 BTC per day just with spare GPU cycles on my desktop; it's not a substantial amount by any means, just a test pool for experiments and playing with software.

Re: Online Cash Bitcoin could Challenge Governments, Banks

#29
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are lots of examples of governments or large organisations taking down networks with single points of failure, but far fewer examples of taking down highly distributed networks like Bitcoin. I don't think this fight is a foregone conclusion. I think it would be difficult to write a law that would make Bitcoin illegal, without making things like MMO currencies or SSL certificates illegal.

From a practical standpoint, Bitcoin has other problems for using it in a real business -- mainly the fact that taxes are only payable in the coin of the realm. If you are a real, legal business, do you want your entire personal and business future contingent on the ability to exchange bitcoin with dollars?

You don't have to put all your eggs in one basket. You could accept payment in dollars and bitcoins, and exchange the bitcoins for dollars the day you receive it. If the bitcoin market suddenly crashes, you'd only lose the amount you hadn't managed to exchange for dollars.

Re: Online Cash Bitcoin could Challenge Governments, Banks

#30

Why is Bitcoin a good currency again? If I understand how it is distributed correctly, those with higher/more computational power receive more of the finite bitcoins. How does that not favor the already rich?

I'm hardly an expert in bitcoins, but: simply having more computational power isn't enough, you have to use it. That computational power is valuable; if you're mining bitcoins you're not using it for whatever it is that you bought all that capacity for in the first place. I doubt that Google or Amazon or the NSA are going to abandon what they're doing now to mine bitcoins.
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