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My family saw a police car hit a kid, then I learned how NYPD impunity works

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Re: My family saw a police car hit a kid, then I learned how NYPD impunity works

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post #16

Why is "Black" capitalized, but "white" is not?

“For many people, Black reflects a shared sense of identity and community. White carries a different set of meanings; capitalizing the word in this context risks following the lead of white supremacists.” https://www.cjr.org/analysis/capital-b-black-styleguide.php

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Re: My family saw a police car hit a kid, then I learned how NYPD impunity works

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> “I blame myself,” she kept saying. “I never let him out on Halloween. A bunch of Black boys together. I shouldn’t have let him out. But he begged me.”

Notice that while average white parents might worry about criminals before letting their kids out on the street, the black parents worry (with good reason) about the police.

(Just to spell it out: this is why so many BLM activists feel comfortable saying "abolish the police" or "defund the police", because from their point of view the police are the people most likely to assault or kill them or their children on the street, more so than random criminals)

> “Young teens or pre-teens of color were handcuffed, arrested, or held at gunpoint while participating in age-appropriate activities such as running, playing with friends, high-fiving, sitting on a stoop, or carrying a backpack.”

This is child abuse.

Re: My family saw a police car hit a kid, then I learned how NYPD impunity works

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We need the police to take care of their own house and stop the us against them mentality. Until they do we won't be able to truly address the events that have led to BLM and the current protests.

The problem isn't a few bad apples, it's a culture that allows a few bad apples to expect impunity and protection from the consequences of their actions.

Re: My family saw a police car hit a kid, then I learned how NYPD impunity works

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post #4

I've lived here a long time and come to the realization through observation that the NYPD operates like a private security force for capital. Their primary concern is to defend private property, the people themselves come second. The "community outreach" they do is just enough to keep us from getting accusatory.

Law and Order takes a different meaning when the thing about order is not about having a peaceful society, but an obedient society that keeps the status quo and the order of importance between the rich and poor.

Re: My family saw a police car hit a kid, then I learned how NYPD impunity works

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Their primary concern is to defend private property, the people themselves come second. And of course the more private property one has, the better the protection...

Until someone decides that the capital committed a drug crime because it smelled suspicious.

You're confusing private property with personal property.

The police don't care about your personal property. Just try to get them to do anything useful in response to a burglary.

Private property, like land, or the means of production, is an entirely different story. Those things receive full police protection.

Re: My family saw a police car hit a kid, then I learned how NYPD impunity works

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post #4

I've lived here a long time and come to the realization through observation that the NYPD operates like a private security force for capital. Their primary concern is to defend private property, the people themselves come second. The "community outreach" they do is just enough to keep us from getting accusatory.

Most police in the world works like this. The only exception to this rule is countries like Japan, Switzerland and Singapore. In those countries, as a working class citizen you can rely on the police to make sure to keep monopoly on violence and keep you safe, when they fail to do so, they will at least bring some level of justice to whoever did you wrong - though less in Switzerland than I'd like. At least the US of…

I don't believe Japan's policing system solved their sexual harassment/assault problem in public spaces, at least that's what I see in the popular media. A Japanese woman here would be more knowledgeable than me on this though.

Re: My family saw a police car hit a kid, then I learned how NYPD impunity works

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post #15

Why is "Black" capitalized, but "white" is not?

I don't know what style guide ProPublica uses, but very recently AP decided to capitalize Black when used as a cultural term when it conveys "essential and shared sense of history, identity and community among people who identify as Black". They go on to say that they expect to make a decision soon about whether to do that with "white" as well. https://blog.ap.org/announcements/the-decision-to-capitalize... https://a…

And boy, those must be some fraught discussions. I think of myself as white but not White, because the notion White Culture connotes white supremacy. Black people outside of Africa share a common element of diaspora, at the very least defined in terms of their shared difficulties, while I as a white person in the west define myself more closely with smaller ethnic and national groups than with whiteness as a whole.

Still... the terminology of race is never going to be precise, and to the degree it exists at all, I'm going to be seen as white rather than another thing. So we might as well be parallel, and use White along with Black and Indigenous and other tendentious but sometimes useful categories.

So if I had to bet, that's where I suspect AP will land. But I don't envy them the process of coming to that conclusion, or the backlash they're going to get either way.

Re: My family saw a police car hit a kid, then I learned how NYPD impunity works

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Until someone decides that the capital committed a drug crime because it smelled suspicious.

You're confusing private property with personal property. The police don't care about your personal property. Just try to get them to do anything useful in response to a burglary. Private property, like land, or the means of production, is an entirely different story. Those things receive full police protection.

Good point, thanks. I did mean personal property.

Re: My family saw a police car hit a kid, then I learned how NYPD impunity works

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post #17

My wife was in Indianapolis for a couple days and she saw the same thing: a cop crossed over to the wrong side of the road and up onto the sidewalk to strike an unarmed black man on a bicycle head on. They claimed later that the man on the bike had struck the car while it was sitting still (hard enough to put him in the hospital with a fractured skull). No investigation was made. I think they do this because running…

Most Officer on the job injury and death comes from traffic accidents. Driving all day is dangerous. We should log Police Officer hours the same way we do truck drivers.

I thought "accident" when I read that comment first, but on reading it again:

"sidewalk to strike an unarmed black man on a bicycle head on."

So... "to strike" this wasn't an accident?

Re: My family saw a police car hit a kid, then I learned how NYPD impunity works

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK, that 's weird. It doesn't entirely come as a surprise that they would have an international arm, since they are home to the UN and were the most visible target of the most prominent international terrorist attack. But having that money come anonymously... that's suspicious.

Still weird. The FBI and the rest of our national security apparatus exist to deal with those issues.

I mean it wouldn't surprise me if the NYPD had a liaison directly with FBI field offices outside of the country, since the stakes are so high and tight integration could save lives. It would also be weird if the NYPD were operating much more directly than that.
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