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Re: Climate change has setnetters worried about Alaska’s sockeye

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Post by hammock »

Hasn't there been a glut of sockeye most of the last 20 years running now? I've enjoyed getting it in the grocery store for a decent price, since the more common farmed salmon has serious problems.

1996 https://www.nytimes.com/1996/10/14/us/salmon-are-thrown-away...

2001 http://www.bluefish.org/fishermn.htm

2010 https://www.nature.com/news/2010/100903/full/news.2010.449.h...

2011 https://redoubtreporter.wordpress.com/2011/07/27/working-thr...

2012 https://www.aaas.org/record-returns-sockeye-salmon-northwest...

2015 https://www.seafoodsource.com/news/supply-trade/with-abundan...

2016 https://www.adn.com/fishing/article/sockeye-salmon-glut-expe...

2019 https://www.oregonlive.com/environment/2010/07/record_columb...

Re: Climate change has setnetters worried about Alaska’s sockeye

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Post by ryder9 »

anewdirection wrote: post #17
thecureforzits wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the tragedy of capitalism.

I am not sure how a different system would have changed things. Look at russia, half the middle east, etc. Not exactly the common definition of capitolist. Producing energy is about the most productive thing a country can do for its people, no matter its politics of distribution. The fact is that petroleum is/was the most efficient way to do that. Science first, then you can drag out your personal politics.

except.. russia is an oligarchy.. middle east is mostly a dictatorship; i don't think you know what capitalism means, it's an economic system, not a system of governance

Re: Climate change has setnetters worried about Alaska’s sockeye

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Post by KineticLensman »

ryder9 wrote: post #22
anewdirection wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not sure how a different system would have changed things. Look at russia, half the middle east, etc. Not exactly the common definition of capitolist. Producing energy is about the most productive thing a country can do for its people, no matter its politics of distribution. The fact is that petroleum is/was the most efficient way to do that. Science first, then you can drag out your personal politics.

except.. russia is an oligarchy.. middle east is mostly a dictatorship; i don't think you know what capitalism means, it's an economic system, not a system of governance

He's saying that capitalist or not, "Producing energy is about the most productive thing a country can do for its people, no matter its politics of distribution".

Re: Climate change has setnetters worried about Alaska’s sockeye

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Post by Udik »

ceejayoz wrote: post #20
Udik wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not at all. Now just go and tell the Alaskans that they can move out because you don't think that making their land uninhabited is "inherently a bad thing".

People moved en masse out of the Rust Belt when that economy changed. Parts of Alaska will be the same as we move away from fossil fuels.

Then if it's fine I don't see the problem of "setting your kitchen on fire" for a century or so. When it's over you can always move and return the land to its uninhabited state. Right?

Re: Climate change has setnetters worried about Alaska’s sockeye

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Post by ceejayoz »

Udik wrote: post #24
ceejayoz wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People moved en masse out of the Rust Belt when that economy changed. Parts of Alaska will be the same as we move away from fossil fuels.

Then if it's fine I don't see the problem of "setting your kitchen on fire" for a century or so. When it's over you can always move and return the land to its uninhabited state. Right?

1. To extend the metaphor a bit, the risk with climate change is burning down the entire neighborhood.

2. You can't really put the carbon back that easily.

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