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Climate change has setnetters worried about Alaska’s sockeye

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Re: Climate change has setnetters worried about Alaska’s sockeye

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Fisheries across Alaska are really struggling. It is striking how climate change affects the economy of Alaska today. Another article: https://www.npr.org/2019/12/08/785634169/alaska-cod-fishery-...

Oil and gas still provide 1/3 of all jobs in Alaska. What is striking is how much climate change has contributed to the economy of Alaska.

Well that's also true on a world scale. Oil & gas are both our best friends and worst enemies.

(On this topic I recommend VlogBrother's video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibg1-0gfwjI)

Re: Climate change has setnetters worried about Alaska’s sockeye

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Fisheries across Alaska are really struggling. It is striking how climate change affects the economy of Alaska today. Another article: https://www.npr.org/2019/12/08/785634169/alaska-cod-fishery-...

Oil and gas still provide 1/3 of all jobs in Alaska. What is striking is how much climate change has contributed to the economy of Alaska.

Sure.

Setting your kitchen on fire warms your house, for a bit.

It's not a great long-term plan, though.

Re: Climate change has setnetters worried about Alaska’s sockeye

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Oil and gas still provide 1/3 of all jobs in Alaska. What is striking is how much climate change has contributed to the economy of Alaska.

Sure. Setting your kitchen on fire warms your house, for a bit. It's not a great long-term plan, though.

Unfortunately, planning for the long term makes you uncompetitive on the nation state scale in the short term, which can threaten the nation state’s survival/prosperity.

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Sure. Setting your kitchen on fire warms your house, for a bit. It's not a great long-term plan, though.

Unfortunately, planning for the long term makes you uncompetitive on the nation state scale in the short term, which can threaten the nation state’s survival/prosperity.

That's the tragedy of capitalism.

Re: Climate change has setnetters worried about Alaska’s sockeye

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Oil and gas still provide 1/3 of all jobs in Alaska. What is striking is how much climate change has contributed to the economy of Alaska.

Sure. Setting your kitchen on fire warms your house, for a bit. It's not a great long-term plan, though.

With temperatures hardly going above zero for five months each year and easily reaching -40C in some parts, I doubt many people would call it home at all without the help of fossil fuels.

There are certainly better ways to produce the energy we need, and I can only hope we'll find them soon; but let's not forget how much we owe to fossil fuels: probably most people on earth owe their very existence to them; discounting them just as a bad and shortsighted idea isn't really a fair assessment.

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Unfortunately, planning for the long term makes you uncompetitive on the nation state scale in the short term, which can threaten the nation state’s survival/prosperity.

That's the tragedy of capitalism.

I am not sure how a different system would have changed things. Look at russia, half the middle east, etc. Not exactly the common definition of capitolist. Producing energy is about the most productive thing a country can do for its people, no matter its politics of distribution. The fact is that petroleum is/was the most efficient way to do that. Science first, then you can drag out your personal politics.

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Sure. Setting your kitchen on fire warms your house, for a bit. It's not a great long-term plan, though.

With temperatures hardly going above zero for five months each year and easily reaching -40C in some parts, I doubt many people would call it home at all without the help of fossil fuels. There are certainly better ways to produce the energy we need, and I can only hope we'll find them soon; but let's not forget how much we owe to fossil fuels: probably most people on earth owe their very existence to them; discounti…

> I doubt many people would call it home at all without the help of fossil fuels.

Is uninhabited land inherently a bad thing?

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With temperatures hardly going above zero for five months each year and easily reaching -40C in some parts, I doubt many people would call it home at all without the help of fossil fuels. There are certainly better ways to produce the energy we need, and I can only hope we'll find them soon; but let's not forget how much we owe to fossil fuels: probably most people on earth owe their very existence to them; discounti…

> I doubt many people would call it home at all without the help of fossil fuels. Is uninhabited land inherently a bad thing?

Not at all. Now just go and tell the Alaskans that they can move out because you don't think that making their land uninhabited is "inherently a bad thing".

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> I doubt many people would call it home at all without the help of fossil fuels. Is uninhabited land inherently a bad thing?

Not at all. Now just go and tell the Alaskans that they can move out because you don't think that making their land uninhabited is "inherently a bad thing".

People moved en masse out of the Rust Belt when that economy changed. Parts of Alaska will be the same as we move away from fossil fuels.
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