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January 2020 warmest on record: EU climate service

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Re: January 2020 warmest on record: EU climate service

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Post by donkeyd »

lapink wrote: post #12
Najtmare wrote: post #2

There is unfortunately no stopping this as there is no or very little political will.

Maybe Americans could start changing their way of life rather than waiting for « political will » or a never coming technological revolution. UE has started reducing CO2 emissions will keeping a very reasonable and increasing level of life.

I assume you mean EU. However, while EU countries have made a lot of promises and plans, they're not actually keeping them either and people are complaining about impact on their daily lives. At least the US is transparent in not wanting to change (their President is).

Re: January 2020 warmest on record: EU climate service

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Post by crispinb »

wickedsight wrote: post #15
Najtmare wrote: post #2

There is unfortunately no stopping this as there is no or very little political will.

It's easy to blame politics, but voters really do have an effect on this and there's hardly any will there either. The fastest growing party in the Netherlands is huge on climate denial and stopping or rolling back anything done against climate change. Their voters are adamant that there's no real issue with climate change, that everything is exaggerated and that it's all a left-wing conspiracy. Most people want to r…

Quite. It's really very boring to hear people endlessly whinging about politicians, then refusing to vote for those offering anything different from BAU. There are no perfect democracies, but citizens surely must accept some responsibility for their voting decisions.

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Post by titzer »

1propionyl wrote: post #17
titzer wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not gonna be "that guy", but I will say that I fully expect cockroaches and tardigrades to survive. Precious little else will. Kiss mammals goodbye. The biosphere has already got a match in our insane devouring of habitat and industrial-scale poisoning program known as modern agriculture. Not to mention the ocean acidification, garbage patch, and overfishing. People look at me a little nutty, but I seriously thin…

What will they eat? Even if they could survive, the ecosystem that supplies their food won't.

Things that photosynthesize will be able to hang on as long as they can tolerate their local climate and have access to water, nitrogen, and CO2, which are the only building blocks they need. Climate change will destroy a wide variety of intricate networks, and make large parts of the planet uninhabitable, but life will cling to temperate zones.

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Post by busymom0 »

They are using a 30 year range only which is meaningless.

The raw data ALWAYS speaks for itself — out of the 50 U.S. state record high temperatures, 23 were set during the 1930s, while 36 occurred prior to 1960. There’s barely been a handful of record high temperatures broken in the last 3 decades out of 50 states:

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/extremes/scec/records/all/tmax

Edit: I am getting quite a few downvotes even though I linked to scientific data. Please let me know what the downvote is for, otherwise it’s disappointing a scientific community doesn’t want to engage in poking holes in the data.

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

throwaway5752 wrote: post #5

I've been wondering why TSLA has been trading the way it has. A normal short squeeze doesn't adequately explain it. The volume today alone is more than 2x the last reported shares short. We all know something very, very bad is going on with the climate.

What does the current TESLA share prices have to do with the environment situation?

It's not like TESLA has some magic pixie dust that can save the world tomorrow. Environmental impact from current ICE cars is fairly small compared to the pollution caused by mass manufacturing with no recycling, heavy industry, coal burning, shipping, etc. People buying more Teslas are a drop in the ocean when it comes to saving the environment, like putting a band aid on a slit artery.

People buy TSLA because it makes them money and buy Teslas because they're nice cars. If they really wanted to save the environment, they would ride a bike.

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Post by tialaramex »

1propionyl wrote: post #17
titzer wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not gonna be "that guy", but I will say that I fully expect cockroaches and tardigrades to survive. Precious little else will. Kiss mammals goodbye. The biosphere has already got a match in our insane devouring of habitat and industrial-scale poisoning program known as modern agriculture. Not to mention the ocean acidification, garbage patch, and overfishing. People look at me a little nutty, but I seriously thin…

What will they eat? Even if they could survive, the ecosystem that supplies their food won't.

The stuff at the bottom of the ocean in the pitch black doesn't even need a star, it's running on some primitive chemistry and the internal heat of the planet, which is in turn driven by radioactive decay. It isn't going anywhere regardless.

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Post by jajag »

1propionyl wrote: post #6
throwaway5752 wrote: post #5

I've been wondering why TSLA has been trading the way it has. A normal short squeeze doesn't adequately explain it. The volume today alone is more than 2x the last reported shares short. We all know something very, very bad is going on with the climate.

All of us reading this right now are going to die just barely seeing the true extent of the outcomes. And we'll likely all die reasonably content knowing it's not our problem. We're among the last generations that can expect to ride the current peak in human success before the hard bounds kick in and things either become much more difficult or more likely just completely collapse. We all love to rest easy on the fall…

Widespread crop failure and fisheries collapse due to extreme weather and acidic oceans could be just around the corner. I can't say that with complete certainty (and I really hope it doesn't happen), but I can't dismiss it with any confidence either.

Re: January 2020 warmest on record: EU climate service

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Post by donkeyd »

throwaway5752 wrote: post #5

I've been wondering why TSLA has been trading the way it has. A normal short squeeze doesn't adequately explain it. The volume today alone is more than 2x the last reported shares short. We all know something very, very bad is going on with the climate.

I feel like it's kinda the opposite. Tesla recently graduated from EV maker to car maker. There's honestly no car currently on the market that matches the Model 3 in its price range, whether electric or not. Acceleration and comfort features are nearly unmatched at the prices (in Europe at least). Sure, there's something to be gained in road noise and build quality, but the cars are incredible. I feel like investors are finally seeing this with, for example, NFL players explaining how Tesla is their current go to car and it becoming a status symbol.

Investors have been too stuck on the environmentally friendly thing to see that they make great cars and that's not even the only thing they do.

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