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January 2020 warmest on record: EU climate service

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Re: January 2020 warmest on record: EU climate service

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Post by titzer »

1propionyl wrote: post #6
throwaway5752 wrote: post #5

I've been wondering why TSLA has been trading the way it has. A normal short squeeze doesn't adequately explain it. The volume today alone is more than 2x the last reported shares short. We all know something very, very bad is going on with the climate.

All of us reading this right now are going to die just barely seeing the true extent of the outcomes. And we'll likely all die reasonably content knowing it's not our problem. We're among the last generations that can expect to ride the current peak in human success before the hard bounds kick in and things either become much more difficult or more likely just completely collapse. We all love to rest easy on the fall…

I'm not gonna be "that guy", but I will say that I fully expect cockroaches and tardigrades to survive. Precious little else will. Kiss mammals goodbye.

The biosphere has already got a match in our insane devouring of habitat and industrial-scale poisoning program known as modern agriculture. Not to mention the ocean acidification, garbage patch, and overfishing. People look at me a little nutty, but I seriously think in 100 years the oceans will have nothing alive in them larger than your finger. There will be no tigers, no elephants, no bison, no deer, few or no birds.

Re: January 2020 warmest on record: EU climate service

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Post by lapink »

Najtmare wrote: post #2

There is unfortunately no stopping this as there is no or very little political will.

Maybe Americans could start changing their way of life rather than waiting for « political will » or a never coming technological revolution. UE has started reducing CO2 emissions will keeping a very reasonable and increasing level of life.

Re: January 2020 warmest on record: EU climate service

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Post by seizethecheese »

"Across a band of countries stretching from Norway to Russia, temperatures were an unprecedented 6C above the same 30-year benchmark".

This is outlier journalism. The actual data is more informative (from December): https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/service/global/map-blended-mn...

On average the globe is warming. In a splotch of northeastern europe very much so. In other places, it's actually colder.

Re: January 2020 warmest on record: EU climate service

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Post by _yhul »

1propionyl wrote: post #6
throwaway5752 wrote: post #5

I've been wondering why TSLA has been trading the way it has. A normal short squeeze doesn't adequately explain it. The volume today alone is more than 2x the last reported shares short. We all know something very, very bad is going on with the climate.

All of us reading this right now are going to die just barely seeing the true extent of the outcomes. And we'll likely all die reasonably content knowing it's not our problem. We're among the last generations that can expect to ride the current peak in human success before the hard bounds kick in and things either become much more difficult or more likely just completely collapse. We all love to rest easy on the fall…

> And we'll likely all die reasonably content knowing it's not our problem.

That's exactly the kind of thinking that caused this mess (i.e climate catastrophe) in the first place.

Had people prioritized their grandchildren and great-grandchildren instead of short-term profits then the effects of climate change would have been mitigated long ago. For example, companies like Exxon knew of what lay ahead. They chose to condemn future generations using precisely the same logic as you.

Re: January 2020 warmest on record: EU climate service

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Post by wickedsight »

Najtmare wrote: post #2

There is unfortunately no stopping this as there is no or very little political will.

It's easy to blame politics, but voters really do have an effect on this and there's hardly any will there either. The fastest growing party in the Netherlands is huge on climate denial and stopping or rolling back anything done against climate change. Their voters are adamant that there's no real issue with climate change, that everything is exaggerated and that it's all a left-wing conspiracy.

Most people want to remain at the same level of comfort and luxury, and that's not possible if we want to effectively combat climate change. We'd need to fly less, drive less and consume less and that's the opposite of what's happening in the world.

Re: January 2020 warmest on record: EU climate service

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Post by crispinb »

Najtmare wrote: post #2

There is unfortunately no stopping this as there is no or very little political will.

It's worse than that. There is very determined political will, across much of the globe, to stoke global heating further for short-term benefit.

In my country (Australia) we had a federal election last year. The climate issues were very clearly laid out, and most citizens here accept the science, and have some understanding of the severity of the issue. Yet they voted very decisively against any further action to reduce emissions.

Most of the electorate here simply will not countenance changes from business as usual. Of the world's more significant population centres, Europe is the most realistically ambitious but is too fractious & bureaucratic to rapidly make the necessary big decisions, the US is weighed down with a sclerotic political system and a huge proportion of the population with dogmatically anti-scientific attitudes, China is backpedalling due to economic worries, and India has enough troubles of its own.

We're toast - this must be clear to everyone at this stage.

Re: January 2020 warmest on record: EU climate service

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Post by 1propionyl »

titzer wrote: post #11
1propionyl wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of us reading this right now are going to die just barely seeing the true extent of the outcomes. And we'll likely all die reasonably content knowing it's not our problem. We're among the last generations that can expect to ride the current peak in human success before the hard bounds kick in and things either become much more difficult or more likely just completely collapse. We all love to rest easy on the fall…

I'm not gonna be "that guy", but I will say that I fully expect cockroaches and tardigrades to survive. Precious little else will. Kiss mammals goodbye. The biosphere has already got a match in our insane devouring of habitat and industrial-scale poisoning program known as modern agriculture. Not to mention the ocean acidification, garbage patch, and overfishing. People look at me a little nutty, but I seriously thin…

What will they eat? Even if they could survive, the ecosystem that supplies their food won't.

Re: January 2020 warmest on record: EU climate service

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Post by hanniabu »

1propionyl wrote: post #6
throwaway5752 wrote: post #5

I've been wondering why TSLA has been trading the way it has. A normal short squeeze doesn't adequately explain it. The volume today alone is more than 2x the last reported shares short. We all know something very, very bad is going on with the climate.

All of us reading this right now are going to die just barely seeing the true extent of the outcomes. And we'll likely all die reasonably content knowing it's not our problem. We're among the last generations that can expect to ride the current peak in human success before the hard bounds kick in and things either become much more difficult or more likely just completely collapse. We all love to rest easy on the fall…

I mean, as long as our economy is going great then why does it matter? /s

Re: January 2020 warmest on record: EU climate service

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Post by 1propionyl »

_yhul wrote: post #14
1propionyl wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of us reading this right now are going to die just barely seeing the true extent of the outcomes. And we'll likely all die reasonably content knowing it's not our problem. We're among the last generations that can expect to ride the current peak in human success before the hard bounds kick in and things either become much more difficult or more likely just completely collapse. We all love to rest easy on the fall…

> And we'll likely all die reasonably content knowing it's not our problem. That's exactly the kind of thinking that caused this mess ( i.e climate catastrophe) in the first place. Had people prioritized their grandchildren and great-grandchildren instead of short-term profits then the effects of climate change would have been mitigated long ago. For example, companies like Exxon knew of what lay ahead. They chose to…

Oh, to be clear, I'm not saying my logic is normatively correct.

You're (I think) likely objectively completely right.

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