Is it just me, or has the ACLU been on a roll lately? I'm really enjoying its current direction. It might have just been that the most controversial headlines were getting the most airtime, but it seemed to be going off the tracks for a while.
ACLU sues Homeland Security over 'stingray' cell phone surveillance
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#22Is it just me, or has the ACLU been on a roll lately? I'm really enjoying its current direction. It might have just been that the most controversial headlines were getting the most airtime, but it seemed to be going off the tracks for a while.
When was the ACLU going off the tracks exactly?
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#23Stingray use requires a warrant and every case should be dismissed where one was used without a warrant. I'm sure that's the main reason they want to hide the use of stingrays, they know they're doing something wrong. Police having the ability to spy on everyone with little to no oversight is nightmarish authoritarianism, it's completely against the spirit of American democracy, not to mention in violation of The Con…
The problem is knowing a Stingray was ever used in the first place. It's been documented that the police routinely utilize parallel construction when they discover things through illegal means in the first place. https://www.wired.com/story/stingray-secret-surveillance-pro...
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#24- Are there future cell technology standards being planned which would make it harder for a 3rd party device to impersonate a cell tower? (e.g. the police would actively need the cell network to help them sign something)
- Why can't we encrypt calls and texts in a way which doesn't let all this stuff get read? Like (handwaving) either trust the network and encrypt with a key they provide, or else some form end-to-end encryption (where maybe generating keys is part of what happens when you activate a sim card or something)?
Like, sure the lawsuits are important, but why did we end up with a system where these tools are possible?
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#25Re: ACLU sues Homeland Security over 'stingray' cell phone surveillance
#26Stingray use requires a warrant and every case should be dismissed where one was used without a warrant. I'm sure that's the main reason they want to hide the use of stingrays, they know they're doing something wrong. Police having the ability to spy on everyone with little to no oversight is nightmarish authoritarianism, it's completely against the spirit of American democracy, not to mention in violation of The Con…
Like, if my neighbor is a drug dealer, and the police get a warrant to search their apartment, maybe that's reasonable. If they use that warrant to search every apartment on my block, that's messed up. If they do that without leaving a trace, so I have no idea when or if it has happened ... then I'm living in a panopticon.
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#27For more insight and details.
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#28Some informed person can probably tell us: are there any technical developments on the horizon which could plausibly make stingrays unviable? From a lay perspective, it seems like cell tech hasn't been designed to meet some criteria that ought to be achievable. - Are there future cell technology standards being planned which would make it harder for a 3rd party device to impersonate a cell tower? (e.g. the police wou…
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
When was the ACLU going off the tracks exactly?
After giving up on Gilmore v. Gonzales , in my opinion.
Re: ACLU sues Homeland Security over 'stingray' cell phone surveillance
#30Some informed person can probably tell us: are there any technical developments on the horizon which could plausibly make stingrays unviable? From a lay perspective, it seems like cell tech hasn't been designed to meet some criteria that ought to be achievable. - Are there future cell technology standards being planned which would make it harder for a 3rd party device to impersonate a cell tower? (e.g. the police wou…