It doesn't seem that this new claim discusses anything not explicitly mentioned at the time of the suicide decision. See the NYT article on this new report for a fuller discussion, as well as quotes from many pathologists: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/30/nyregion/jeffrey-epstein-...
Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says
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Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says
#22My brother in law is an attorney who literally makes a career out of the deaths and injuries that result from the incredible incompetence and neglect we inflict upon the imprisoned in this country. And as he puts it "Business is Good."
Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says
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#24But, I think what I see there, what I see here just tend to reinforce something that I believe is vindicated by the rest of history -- politics can be very dirty, and to prematurely label something a conspiracy theory can get in the way of seeing the reality of what happens on the ground. There's a difference between labeling something a conspiracy theory because it feels unthinkable and labeling something a conspiracy theory because it's a stretch to imagine it logistically possible. I have a hope that somehow we can get to a reality where that's not the case, but it's hard to reconcile that with seeing these things happen again and again.
How strong is a democracy? What is the price of freedom and liberty, and how resistant are any of the world's well-resourced democracies to this sort of high-level corruption? Were they ever resistant to it? Were democracy and technopolitics always merely a smokescreen over invisible perpetuations of the perennial brutal principle of "might makes right" and any egalitarian, humanist drive somewhat doomed to never fully (or even partially) succeed?
Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
He was taken off of suicide watch, so he had all the materials he needed to kill himself. Also...every person I've read with working knowledge of that prison has stressed the gross negligence and incompetence there.
This was the same prison that somehow held El Chapo, a serial jailbreaker, in custody throughout his trial. They can be competent when actually motivated to do so.
Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says
#26This is not the head pathologist who performed the autopsy or anything. This is an pathologist hired by Epstein's family who is notable for saying dramatic things in an apparent attempt to get news time: https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-brown-shooting/who... Furthermore, there's nothing new here - all of this was known months ago. The damage in question - Baden's smoking gun - is not uncommon in suicides eit…
> Dr. Michael Baden, one of the world’s leading forensic pathologists, viewed Jeffrey Epstein’s body and was present at the autopsy, which was held the day after Epstein was found dead at the notorious Metropolitan Correctional Center in downtown Manhattan.
It looks like he was at least present at the autopsy
Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says
#27I'm fascinated by the idea that someone could have killed and successfully covered up a murder this high profile. How do you handle the guards? How do you keep the other inmates quiet? Can you get away with bribing a single guard or is a larger operation needed? If you bribe people, how do you get the money to them? How do you keep them quiet when the inevitable investigation happens? I don't think it's impossible, b…
I would think anyone privy to the situation would be handled the same way, by threat of death to them or loved ones. Maybe a little cash to ease the mental burden. I'd like to think I could withstand such a threat like a fictional hero, but I have my doubts. I hope to never know for sure.
I doubt most people, or heroes, withstand the threat when they don't actually care. Do you personally care if Epstein is alive or dead?
Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says
#28They failed and now a majority believe he was. Including me.
Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says
#29I'm fascinated by the idea that someone could have killed and successfully covered up a murder this high profile. How do you handle the guards? How do you keep the other inmates quiet? Can you get away with bribing a single guard or is a larger operation needed? If you bribe people, how do you get the money to them? How do you keep them quiet when the inevitable investigation happens? I don't think it's impossible, b…
What reasons could there be to cover up non high profile murders? High profile is where all the covering up happens.