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Around 30 percent of children in the U.S. don't get enough sleep: study

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Re: Around 30 percent of children in the U.S. don't get enough sleep: study

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Post by casion »

flerchin wrote: post #13

Everyone, not just kids. Go the fuck to bed. In my experience, it's the same parents that struggle to make it to 930 standups that also let their kids stay up too late.

Not everyone can just 'go to bed'. Circadian rhythms are a thing, as are a wide variety of sleeping disorders and psychological disorders with sleep comorbidities.

Many of these affect simply the time of day when you can fall asleep.

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Post by masonic »

sjg007 wrote: post #11

Adolescents are natural night owls. It's probably in our genetics.

  It's probably in our genetics
It's never been reported in pre-industrial societies or even presently in areas where artificial light well into the night is uncommon.

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Post by ip26 »

masonic wrote: post #20
MperorM wrote: post #3

Lack of sleep was definitely the cause of my terrible grades in highschool mathematics. I would stay up late (1-2 am) to play in starcraft tournaments, to have 8 am classes in mathematics. (There's a neat inverse correlation between my highschool grades and starcraft rank) It's crazy to me just how terrible school systems are at optimizing for learning. I would get terrible headaches from classrooms that had too many…

in reality it was from co2 ppm How did you measure this?

I never had access to co2 meters when I was a teenager, but I had the same suspicion. Some rooms regularly left me feeling stifled & drowsy, and the first breath of fresh air out the door would rouse me in an instant. I plan on sending my own kids to school with a meter one day just to see.

The reason I don't believe it was just boredom is the worst offender was always choir- a class I loved, and a class with obviously elevated production of co2.

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Post by shakna »

masonic wrote: post #20
MperorM wrote: post #3

Lack of sleep was definitely the cause of my terrible grades in highschool mathematics. I would stay up late (1-2 am) to play in starcraft tournaments, to have 8 am classes in mathematics. (There's a neat inverse correlation between my highschool grades and starcraft rank) It's crazy to me just how terrible school systems are at optimizing for learning. I would get terrible headaches from classrooms that had too many…

in reality it was from co2 ppm How did you measure this?

This one is actually backed up by a few studies like this [0] one. There's not enough studies to actually say conclusively that it's common or the usual cause, but there's enough to suggest it should be under consideration.

[0] https://doi.org/10.1111/ina.12042

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Post by natmaka »

Another cause is believing that, in order to compensate for too-short a night, one only has to sleep more the next day, or even afterwards. AFAIK this is false, sleep doesn't work this way and we all have to sleep adequately each and every day.

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Post by planetzero »

epicureanideal wrote: post #16
flerchin wrote: post #13

Everyone, not just kids. Go the fuck to bed. In my experience, it's the same parents that struggle to make it to 930 standups that also let their kids stay up too late.

There’s no reason a standup needs to be at 930 other than to punish people with later natural sleep cycles.

SO instead, you want to punish people with early natural sleep cycles?

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Post by asveikau »

flerchin wrote: post #13

Everyone, not just kids. Go the fuck to bed. In my experience, it's the same parents that struggle to make it to 930 standups that also let their kids stay up too late.

Are you a parent? Getting kids awake, some food, to school on time, and then a work commute is hard. It might just be that you are observing.

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Post by thrower123 »

epicureanideal wrote: post #16
flerchin wrote: post #13

Everyone, not just kids. Go the fuck to bed. In my experience, it's the same parents that struggle to make it to 930 standups that also let their kids stay up too late.

There’s no reason a standup needs to be at 930 other than to punish people with later natural sleep cycles.

I don't much like standups, but I've noticed that they tend to end up being a hard start to the day. When we had them at 9:30, people would tend to always get in to the office by at least 9:15. When we kick them back to 10:30, people tend to straggle in up to 10, 10:15. Generally, people adjust to whatever the time is, so they have some minutes to get settled and triage their email; you usually can't actually get anything done unless you come in a couple hours before in the morning, and trying to start anything and pause for the meeting is a mess, because of the risk of getting diverted onto something else as a result of the standup.

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Post by tom_ »

planetzero wrote: post #26
epicureanideal wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s no reason a standup needs to be at 930 other than to punish people with later natural sleep cycles.

SO instead, you want to punish people with early natural sleep cycles?

Such meetings can be held at any time of the day.

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Post by webkike »

EpicEng wrote: post #7
MperorM wrote: post #3

Lack of sleep was definitely the cause of my terrible grades in highschool mathematics. I would stay up late (1-2 am) to play in starcraft tournaments, to have 8 am classes in mathematics. (There's a neat inverse correlation between my highschool grades and starcraft rank) It's crazy to me just how terrible school systems are at optimizing for learning. I would get terrible headaches from classrooms that had too many…

>We wake up students too early I agree, but... you were staying up until 1-2am playing video games. C'mon.

how is this any different from a chess club of a sports club? Seriously, all of those clubs demand many hours of dedication.

If you do a sport in highschool you basically have to be able to get 4 hours of sleep and deal with it

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