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Notes of a native tiger son: it's a weird time to be Asian-American

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Re: Notes of a native tiger son: it's a weird time to be Asian-American

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I've thought a lot about this subject. I have come to conclusion that asian parents hating comes from internalized self-hatred of being yellow and yet at the same, being unable to express one's Asian values in a Western society. Almost everything against the Asian parents are against how their values are different from typical "American" parents: strict vs. lenient, off-putting vs. dotting. "I have to sit at home doi…

I don't hate Asian values because I wish I were whiter. I have a problem with my parents giving me extra math problems to do that were way beyond my grade level, and then telling me they were surprised that they'd never seen any girl where the harder she tried, the worse she did. They were assholes who reduced me to a good GPA and nothing more. Think a little bit harder about why so many Asians don't like their parents.

Re: Notes of a native tiger son: it's a weird time to be Asian-American

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post #18

As a result, throughout my childhood—and most of my adulthood—we mostly contended with a slim parade of different, sometimes contradictory, caricatures: lotus blossoms and dragon ladies, math nerds and martial artists, refugees and gang-bangers. Ad nauseum. The amount of presumption that I have to deal with from strangers on a regular basis is still disturbing. Such interactions only comprise a small fraction of the…

"The amount of presumption that I have to deal with from strangers on a regular basis " Seriously? Where the hell do you live, Georgia? But, I suppose being white I don't see it. And that psycho-sexual thing is called a "rice queen." Uh, fyi, I guess.

It still happens even in major metropolitan centers like NYC. I still vividly recall being gawked over by a crowd of extremely rowdy girls on Halloween day, having "Look, it's Jackie Chan!" thrown at me. They were pretty much shrieking about it and on the subway, no less. Nothing to do but have to actually listen to that nonsense. It shocked and sickened me for a while.

Granted, the girls in question seemed to be from generally poorer, low-education areas. That still doesn't excuse it in my book though.

Re: Notes of a native tiger son: it's a weird time to be Asian-American

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post #6

This observation hit me like a two-by-four: "The Immigration Act of 1965... created preference categories for science, math and engineering-trained immigrants to come over. [Asian countries] were producing a surplus of college-educated adults but lacked a sufficiently developed domestic economy to adequately absorb them. The 1965 Immigration Act, in trying to bolster America's own domestic needs, inadvertently helped…

I'm pretty sure I know what you're getting at, but do you mind expounding on your thoughts previous to discovering this information?

Re: Notes of a native tiger son: it's a weird time to be Asian-American

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Following the media frenzy that is the aftermath of Chua's article i cannot help but feel that there is a larger macro narrative at play here.

There is no doubt, the article struck a nerve for many Asian-Americans, some of which try to either validate the way they grew up or the understandable resentment of others who feel cheated from some vocation that didn't materialize because of the Math/Violin issue.

Then there is this large group of what seems to be largely white who either figured there was something there for the upbringing of their children, and those who cry abuse.

As I was raised in another country, this conversation, whether of Asian origin or Caucasian, strikes me as a genuine american cultural phenomena. There is an anxiety here about children and the way they are brought up and educated that is unmatched anywhere else that i have seen. This discussion and the discussion of yesterday about the treatment of all males as defacto criminals in their approach to children, feeds from the same root, that strikes me at times as some kind of hysterical episode.

Re: Notes of a native tiger son: it's a weird time to be Asian-American

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I've thought a lot about this subject. I have come to conclusion that asian parents hating comes from internalized self-hatred of being yellow and yet at the same, being unable to express one's Asian values in a Western society. Almost everything against the Asian parents are against how their values are different from typical "American" parents: strict vs. lenient, off-putting vs. dotting. "I have to sit at home doi…

I feel like I have to drop my own anecdote here to counter yours - I didn't have nearly the same experience growing up.

> "For instance, when I'm out with my Asian friends, we interact like we are kindergarten teachers, always very attentive to others' egos and emotions"

Whereabouts did/do you live? My Asian friends around here act no differently than any other human being I regularly interact with. I really don't get the "heightened emotional sensitivity" part. Similarly, nearly all of my western friends aren't the bromancing invulnerable types. Methinks this is less about race and more about hanging around with the wrong crowd.

As a further anecdote, as a westernized Asian, "sticking with your own kind" is not always advisable. Sadly, to this day when I meet a particularly Asian Asian, my initial reaction is one of wary distrust. I have yet to face anywhere near the same type of racial/cultural hatred from any white, brown, or black person as I have from my fellow yellows, for being "too white".

FWIW, I don't hate my parents - quite the opposite in fact. Then again, they weren't the stereotypical hyper-traditional Asian parent, so that might be something. What I do find sad yet hilarious is the number of Asian parents who spend years convincing their children to eschew any life skills in favor of academic achievement... and then get on their case when they end up with a boring dead-end desk job, no hobbies, and are generally miserable. Well, duh.

Re: Notes of a native tiger son: it's a weird time to be Asian-American

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Anybody want to weigh in on why Asians give their kids Western first names in the US? Why don't they use Chinese first names? Why don't they change their last names also? Serious question.

Several reasons:

- a lot of Asian families are Christian, so they get Christian names

- racism and discrimination. "li guo" just isn't as cool as "pierre"

- there's no real great way to spell a lot of Asian names, so might as well just adopt a Western name

- many Asian children have an Asian name and a Westerner name. Both are valid aliases for the person.

Re: Notes of a native tiger son: it's a weird time to be Asian-American

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post #18

As a result, throughout my childhood—and most of my adulthood—we mostly contended with a slim parade of different, sometimes contradictory, caricatures: lotus blossoms and dragon ladies, math nerds and martial artists, refugees and gang-bangers. Ad nauseum. The amount of presumption that I have to deal with from strangers on a regular basis is still disturbing. Such interactions only comprise a small fraction of the…

"The amount of presumption that I have to deal with from strangers on a regular basis " Seriously? Where the hell do you live, Georgia? But, I suppose being white I don't see it. And that psycho-sexual thing is called a "rice queen." Uh, fyi, I guess.

Seriously? Where the hell do you live, Georgia?

My last 3 cities: Houston, Cincinnati, Columbia SC.

Re: Notes of a native tiger son: it's a weird time to be Asian-American

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The amount of presumption that I have to deal with from strangers on a regular basis " Seriously? Where the hell do you live, Georgia? But, I suppose being white I don't see it. And that psycho-sexual thing is called a "rice queen." Uh, fyi, I guess.

It still happens even in major metropolitan centers like NYC. I still vividly recall being gawked over by a crowd of extremely rowdy girls on Halloween day, having "Look, it's Jackie Chan!" thrown at me. They were pretty much shrieking about it and on the subway, no less. Nothing to do but have to actually listen to that nonsense. It shocked and sickened me for a while. Granted, the girls in question seemed to be fro…

Having your features be an instant mark of attention is unsettling. Women often understand this, as they're subject to being hollered at by random guys.

Re: Notes of a native tiger son: it's a weird time to be Asian-American

#30
The author points out something he may not have even intended: that parenting might not matter at all, despite the raging discussions about which parenting style is better.

In fact, lots of research on twins and adopted children suggests that parenting matters very little in shaping a child's personality and skills, while biology and peer groups matter a lot. Identical twins turn out quite similar regardless of whether they grow up in the same family, while adopted siblings are as different as any random people. (Check "How the Mind Works" by Pinker for a great overview.) People have a hard time accepting this, since most would like to believe that they have a power to shape their children, but this does not make it any less true.

> the Immigration Act of 1965... didn't just abolish racial quotas, it also created preference categories for science, math and engineering-trained immigrants to come over.

Ah, so Asian immigrants to the US are far from an unbiased sample of their original populations! This explains a lot more than bitter fights over parenting.

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