They can bite me as well. This a foreign nation exerting its will over our politics via economic control. The govt should make strides to curb this imo.
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US workers may have to change social media use as firms adapt to China's rules
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Re: US workers may have to change social media use as firms adapt to China's rules
#22In two words: bite me. there aren't too many things that i'm a raving aboslutist about, but the freedom of political speech is one of them. If my employer attempts to step on my neck for saying things about china that china doesn't like, on my time, and my personal accounts, their next contact from me will be from an ACLU lawyer.
AFAIK, political speech is not protected against employer discrimination.
Re: US workers may have to change social media use as firms adapt to China's rules
#23I remember when news used to tell you about things that did happen instead of things that might happen. Until a company actually does this, this is just clickbait speculation.
That's like saying "until US president is elected, talking about elections is a clickbait speculation". Policies are born out of speculation about the future, and public speculation (aka debate) about what is going to happen can influence them. We see evidence (NBA, Blizzard, Apple, Mariott, Gap, etc.) of US companies prostrating themselves before Chinese censorship. It is reasonable to discuss this phenomena and spe…
Are you proposing that a majority of election coverage is not clickbait speculation? Have you actually watched any election coverage?
There is plenty of real coverage that takes place, but it doesn't fill a 24-hour news cycle. It consists of things like direct quotes of what candidates actually said and things they actually did. The rest of it is filled with guesses about hypothetical policies they might adopt and what horrible/wonderful things might occur if they do get adopted. In other words, clickbait speculation.
Re: US workers may have to change social media use as firms adapt to China's rules
#24Before we were voicing everything on the Internet there was both a separation between professional lives and private lives and far more localized communities that had lower interaction with each other. With the way many are using the Internet is blurs or removes the lines between private and public along with removing regional group barriers. So, I used to be able to run my mouth locally on some topic and have no wor…
In practice, most people can still enjoy a degree of separation unless they're in a relatively public role and/or haven't tried to separate their personal and professional personas on, e.g., Twitter.
That said, the walls between personal and professional can break down in a big hurry if some ill-considered (or just unconventional) remark/action/etc. goes viral. Companies will cut their connections with most individuals very quickly if that's the easiest and least embarrassing response to an online mob.
Re: US workers may have to change social media use as firms adapt to China's rules
#25Before we were voicing everything on the Internet there was both a separation between professional lives and private lives and far more localized communities that had lower interaction with each other. With the way many are using the Internet is blurs or removes the lines between private and public along with removing regional group barriers. So, I used to be able to run my mouth locally on some topic and have no wor…
I feel a whole lot of repression is going to happen as people learn they can’t even be themselves in their personal life without somehow hurting the feelings of someone they haven’t even spoke to who has the power to get them terminated.
Re: US workers may have to change social media use as firms adapt to China's rules
#26In two words: bite me. there aren't too many things that i'm a raving aboslutist about, but the freedom of political speech is one of them. If my employer attempts to step on my neck for saying things about china that china doesn't like, on my time, and my personal accounts, their next contact from me will be from an ACLU lawyer.
I know there are companies that try to tread lightly especially when they have sizable mainlander ranks and go to pains to try to not offend.
And we obviously don’t want to speak to the people at large, but I definitely think we should have no qualms about calling out behavior of the Chinese gov as we do the Russian gov.
It’s such a contrast for Russian expats and Chinese expats and how company wide comms go out asking people to be mindful and not offend (but never get comms about not offending Russkies). I think this speaks to the importance of where the money comes from and how sensitive they are to that.
Re: US workers may have to change social media use as firms adapt to China's rules
#27In two words: bite me. there aren't too many things that i'm a raving aboslutist about, but the freedom of political speech is one of them. If my employer attempts to step on my neck for saying things about china that china doesn't like, on my time, and my personal accounts, their next contact from me will be from an ACLU lawyer.
AFAIK, political speech is not protected against employer discrimination.
If it isn't explicitly not protected though, there could still be a fun case to deal with.
Re: US workers may have to change social media use as firms adapt to China's rules
#28Before we were voicing everything on the Internet there was both a separation between professional lives and private lives and far more localized communities that had lower interaction with each other. With the way many are using the Internet is blurs or removes the lines between private and public along with removing regional group barriers. So, I used to be able to run my mouth locally on some topic and have no wor…
I feel a whole lot of repression is going to happen as people learn they can’t even be themselves in their personal life without somehow hurting the feelings of someone they haven’t even spoke to who has the power to get them terminated.
Well, there is private and public then there is personal and professional. It's like a matrix. Things you do publicly have long had the ability to affect your personal and professional life. Public just now has the ability to go global and not be forgotten which is something new.
If you post it on Twitter for everyone to see it's not your private life. It's public.
This is now paired with a change in attitude. There used to be a tone of forgiveness and to help people. Now when people screw up there are groups looking to destroy them. And, the definitions of what's wrong or a screw up are changing among different groups which complicates things.
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Re: US workers may have to change social media use as firms adapt to China's rules
#29At some point there will have to be a confrontation with China over its tyranny.
Re: US workers may have to change social media use as firms adapt to China's rules
#30Before we were voicing everything on the Internet there was both a separation between professional lives and private lives and far more localized communities that had lower interaction with each other. With the way many are using the Internet is blurs or removes the lines between private and public along with removing regional group barriers. So, I used to be able to run my mouth locally on some topic and have no wor…
I feel a whole lot of repression is going to happen as people learn they can’t even be themselves in their personal life without somehow hurting the feelings of someone they haven’t even spoke to who has the power to get them terminated.
As a counterpoint, I'm not sure things have materially changed in the past five years or so. But I would think that people today tend to have a better handle on the limits of discourse under their True Name.
OTOH, there's probably more outrage in the culture generally and probably more people who can rally a supporting crowd for hurt feelings and other arguably trivial rationales.