hiQ asked the court for a preliminary injunction to stop Linkedin from denying them access, won it, and this is the result of Linkedin's appeal of that injunction. This is not the end of the case. The title is wrong. The 9th Circuit just ruled that hiQ has a decent enough argument to move forward. The question of whether them scraping a public site can violate the CFAA is not settled. > We therefore conclude that hiQ…
AP seems to be saying differently. https://apnews.com/1e1cacd92df74f48846e8bce5237b97d
9th Circuit holds that scraping a public website does not violate the CFAA [pdf]
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#22So LinkedIn is prohibited from blocking hiQ's access by technical means. That's a strong holding. If this case is eventually decided in favor of hiQ, scrapers can no longer be blocked. Throttled a little, maybe, but no more than other users doing a comparable query rate.
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#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
I believe the salient issue is whether or not there were effective access controls, not whether or not a page could be reasonably interpreted as intended to be non-public.
The real issue here is somewhere between both you and GP. What is required to trigger the CFAA? Does accessing a page the site owner doesn't want you to violate the CFAA or do you need to hack through access controls?
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#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
The real issue here is somewhere between both you and GP. What is required to trigger the CFAA? Does accessing a page the site owner doesn't want you to violate the CFAA or do you need to hack through access controls?
And does robots.txt count as an access control? What about a humans.txt that says "please don't scrape this site"?
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#25> In recognizing that the CFAA is best understood as an anti-intrusion statute and not as a “misappropriation statute,” Nosal I, 676 F.3d at 857–58, we rejected the contract-based interpretation of the CFAA’s “without authorization” provision adopted by some of our sister circuits. Compare Facebook, Inc. v. Power Ventures, Inc., 844 F.3d 1058, 1067 (9th Cir. 2016), cert. denied, 138 S. Ct. 313 (2017) (“[A] violation of the terms of use of a website—without more— cannot establish liability under the CFAA.”); Nosal I, 676 F.3d at 862 (“We remain unpersuaded by the decisions of our sister circuits that interpret the CFAA broadly to cover violations of corporate computer use restrictions or violations of a duty of loyalty.”), with EF Cultural Travel BV v. Explorica, Inc., 274 F.3d 577, 583–84 (1st Cir. 2001) (holding that violations of a confidentiality agreement or other contractual restraints could give rise to a claim for unauthorized access under the CFAA); United States v. Rodriguez, 628 F.3d 1258, 1263 (11th Cir. 2010) (holding that a defendant “exceeds authorized access” when violating policies governing authorized use of databases).
And:
> As one prominent commentator has put it, “an authentication requirement, such as a password gate, is needed to create the necessary barrier that divides open spaces from closed spaces on the Web.” Orin S. Kerr, Norms of Computer Trespass, 116 Colum. L. Rev. 1143, 1161 (2016). Moreover, elsewhere in the statute, password fraud is cited as a means by which a computer may be accessed without authorization, see 18 U.S.C. § 1030(a)(6),12 bolstering the idea that authorization is only required for password-protected sites or sites that otherwise prevent the general public from viewing the information.
My layman's (IANAL) interpretation of preliminary injunctions are that the case is far from over, and this could be overturned at any time as more deliberation is done (assuming LinkedIn wants to keep throwing money at that relatively slim possibility). But now this research has been done, and future courts have the ability to look to these references and lines of reasoning all in one place.
EDIT: https://twitter.com/OrinKerr/status/1171116153948626944?ref_... is an analysis by the law professor cited above:
> BIG NEWS: 9th Circuit holds that scraping a public website likely does not violate the CFAA, even after website owner prohibits with a cease-and-desist letter; language strongly suggests CFAA only applies to bypassing authentication. Blog post up soon. http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2019/09/09/17... #N
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not saying the court made the right call but for that case the big issue for the court was the pages were clearly not intended for the public and the defendant knew it.
Ahh so if a company leaks data it's the viewer's fault, not the companies?
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#27hiQ asked the court for a preliminary injunction to stop Linkedin from denying them access, won it, and this is the result of Linkedin's appeal of that injunction. This is not the end of the case. The title is wrong. The 9th Circuit just ruled that hiQ has a decent enough argument to move forward. The question of whether them scraping a public site can violate the CFAA is not settled. > We therefore conclude that hiQ…
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
The real issue here is somewhere between both you and GP. What is required to trigger the CFAA? Does accessing a page the site owner doesn't want you to violate the CFAA or do you need to hack through access controls?
As a real-world analogue: you can indeed be guilty of trespassing on someone's property even if you don't have to jump over any fences or pick any locks to get there. In some places, they don't even have to have a "no trespassing" sign. Simply being present on someone else's property without an invitation from them is illegal, and no, an open door does not count as an invitation.
An open door to a home is different, but unfenced property is 100% not trespass until you refuse to leave.
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not saying the court made the right call but for that case the big issue for the court was the pages were clearly not intended for the public and the defendant knew it.
Ahh so if a company leaks data it's the viewer's fault, not the companies?
The judge appears to question whether robots.txt is sufficient to prevent scraping, or if a proper authorization step would be required.
The best real-world analogy I can come up with... I post a No Trespassing sign on my garden, but don't fence/gate the property. Is it ok to access the property and take my tomatoes? After all, the sign is just a suggestion... had I really wanted to prevent access, I'd install a fence.
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not saying the court made the right call but for that case the big issue for the court was the pages were clearly not intended for the public and the defendant knew it.
I believe the salient issue is whether or not there were effective access controls, not whether or not a page could be reasonably interpreted as intended to be non-public.