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9th Circuit holds that scraping a public website does not violate the CFAA [pdf]

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Re: 9th Circuit holds that scraping a public website does not violate the CFAA [pdf]

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hiQ asked the court for a preliminary injunction to stop Linkedin from denying them access, won it, and this is the result of Linkedin's appeal of that injunction. This is not the end of the case. The title is wrong. The 9th Circuit just ruled that hiQ has a decent enough argument to move forward. The question of whether them scraping a public site can violate the CFAA is not settled. > We therefore conclude that hiQ…

I disagree about the tone, it seems to suggest to me that the judge believes there is a strong case here for hiQ.

I agree, but there's a difference between "hiQ has a strong case" and "Here is the final ruling on the hiQ case". I was trying to point out that the case is not over or ruled on at all. Just the preliminary injunction.

Re: 9th Circuit holds that scraping a public website does not violate the CFAA [pdf]

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe the salient issue is whether or not there were effective access controls, not whether or not a page could be reasonably interpreted as intended to be non-public.

The real issue here is somewhere between both you and GP. What is required to trigger the CFAA? Does accessing a page the site owner doesn't want you to violate the CFAA or do you need to hack through access controls?

And does robots.txt count as an access control?

What about a humans.txt that says "please don't scrape this site"?

Re: 9th Circuit holds that scraping a public website does not violate the CFAA [pdf]

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree about the tone, it seems to suggest to me that the judge believes there is a strong case here for hiQ.

I agree, but there's a difference between "hiQ has a strong case" and "Here is the final ruling on the hiQ case". I was trying to point out that the case is not over or ruled on at all. Just the preliminary injunction.

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Re: 9th Circuit holds that scraping a public website does not violate the CFAA [pdf]

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree about the tone, it seems to suggest to me that the judge believes there is a strong case here for hiQ.

I agree, but there's a difference between "hiQ has a strong case" and "Here is the final ruling on the hiQ case". I was trying to point out that the case is not over or ruled on at all. Just the preliminary injunction.

"Just the preliminary injunction."

But I thought that was a few years ago!

How many more over-rulings, or appeals do we freaking need? I really hope this is the final ruling.

Re: 9th Circuit holds that scraping a public website does not violate the CFAA [pdf]

#16

hiQ asked the court for a preliminary injunction to stop Linkedin from denying them access, won it, and this is the result of Linkedin's appeal of that injunction. This is not the end of the case. The title is wrong. The 9th Circuit just ruled that hiQ has a decent enough argument to move forward. The question of whether them scraping a public site can violate the CFAA is not settled. > We therefore conclude that hiQ…

AP seems to be saying differently. https://apnews.com/1e1cacd92df74f48846e8bce5237b97d

Re: 9th Circuit holds that scraping a public website does not violate the CFAA [pdf]

#17
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree about the tone, it seems to suggest to me that the judge believes there is a strong case here for hiQ.

I agree, but there's a difference between "hiQ has a strong case" and "Here is the final ruling on the hiQ case". I was trying to point out that the case is not over or ruled on at all. Just the preliminary injunction.

Oh is that all, just a PI against their fundamental argument.

Re: 9th Circuit holds that scraping a public website does not violate the CFAA [pdf]

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> LinkedIn has taken steps to protect the data on its website from what it perceives as misuse or misappropriation. The instructions in LinkedIn’s “robots.txt” file—a text file used by website owners to communicate with search engine crawlers and other web robots—prohibit access to LinkedIn servers via automated bots, except that certain entities, like the Google search engine, have express permission from LinkedIn f…

Not saying the court made the right call but for that case the big issue for the court was the pages were clearly not intended for the public and the defendant knew it.

Ahh so if a company leaks data it's the viewer's fault, not the companies?

Re: 9th Circuit holds that scraping a public website does not violate the CFAA [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real issue here is somewhere between both you and GP. What is required to trigger the CFAA? Does accessing a page the site owner doesn't want you to violate the CFAA or do you need to hack through access controls?

And does robots.txt count as an access control? What about a humans.txt that says "please don't scrape this site"?

Sounds more like an access suggestion than control to me

Re: 9th Circuit holds that scraping a public website does not violate the CFAA [pdf]

#20
post #9

Flagged for misleading title.

Would you mind suggesting a more accurate title?

9th Circuit issues injunction preventing LinkedIn from blocking hiQ's scraping of public pages

(IANAL but this seems like a reasonable summary of the first paragraph of the document.)

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