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Climate crisis, shown directly on power plant, in guerrilla projection

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Re: Climate crisis, shown directly on power plant, in guerrilla projection

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Brilliant. I'm not a big art fan, but this really grabs me. I take my hat off to the people behind this.

Considering that organization behind this (Greenpeace) is also protesting against nuclear energy, the most realistic alternative to fossil energy, i will not take my hat off.

Re: Climate crisis, shown directly on power plant, in guerrilla projection

#22
post #10

Climate change is a hoax to increase taxes. I always hear that we’re so screwed for a million reasons and if we dont act now we go into a “runaway” scenario we cannot recover from. If this is true why have we not already hit this runaway scenario. If we’re already in that state we’d be better of leaning into it and saving resources to deal with the changes. Also the earth has natural feedback mechanisms to deal with…

You’re completely correct, the earth will be fine. We, however, will not.

Re: Climate crisis, shown directly on power plant, in guerrilla projection

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post #10

Climate change is a hoax to increase taxes. I always hear that we’re so screwed for a million reasons and if we dont act now we go into a “runaway” scenario we cannot recover from. If this is true why have we not already hit this runaway scenario. If we’re already in that state we’d be better of leaning into it and saving resources to deal with the changes. Also the earth has natural feedback mechanisms to deal with…

>Climate change is a hoax to increase taxes.

So you are saying all those scientists are being paid by corrupt polticians to produce fake research and at the same time they are populist abd deny the climate change at the same time to satisfy their ignorant population? That's not just pure distilled cognitive dissonance that is complete bullshit.

>if we dont act now we go into a “runaway” scenario we cannot recover from. If this is true why have we not already hit this runaway scenario.

Because predictions are by definition about events that haven't happened yet but will happen in the future. This means that if a future event is undesireable we can take action to avert it. If we merely wait for something to happen then it will be too late to take action.

>If we’re already in that state we’d be better of leaning into it and saving resources to deal with the changes.

So what do you propose? The largest producers of greenhouse gases will be the least affected. This means that billions of humans in Asia and Africa will require some sort of cooling technology to survive. Those people probably don't have access to an electric grid and they do not earn enough money so using airconditioning will not be feasable without foreign aid. Alternatively these people can migrate to places where the climate is still hospitable for human life. This could mean billions of climate refugees will come to europe and north america.

>Also the earth has natural feedback mechanisms to deal with higher temperatures - more clouds from increased water vapor.

>Also the earth has natural feedback mechanisms to deal with higher temperatures - more clouds from increased water vapor.

>Also is the runaway scenario purely a function of temperature ? If so why has the earth not locked into the runaway in the past when the earth was warmer than it is now ?

>Also, all of this C02 used to be i the air ! “Fossil fuels” is compressed plant matter from millions of years ago that pulled C02 out of the air via photosynthesis, what wrong with releasing it back in? Plants are thriving all over the world due to the increased C02 levels - feedback mechanisms at work !

You appear to be misunderstanding something. Those balancing effects do exist but they work at a far bigger timescale that exceed human fossil fuel activity by several orders of magnitude. For every year humanity burns fuel it will take tens of thousands of years for the planet to recover. Humanity won't persist that long and even if it did it would be extremely foolish to begin this cycle again and burn all the fossil fuels again. I am very surprised that you are only concerned about the planet and the plants that are living on it. Of course they will be fine. It's us humans who have to fear climate change.

Re: Climate crisis, shown directly on power plant, in guerrilla projection

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." -HL Mencken I agree with your sentiment. I often ask people what percentage of the warming is due to CO2 emissions and what percent is due to natural fluctuations. And I struggle to receive an answer. There is nothing about the 20th…

Most of the CO2 emissions are natural, but they aren't the main concern. In the Northern hemisphere growing season, atmospheric CO2 declines sharply. In the fall and winter, the leaves fall off of trees and decompose, and that CO2 goes right back into the atmosphere. We don't worry about that CO2 because it's part of a natural cycle that absorbs and emits roughly equal amounts of carbon dioxide. If you look at an atm…

I love xkcd but it's not a very good source for scientific argument. It's a pop science cartoon.

The cartoon isn't accurate and misses a lot of major temperature swings.

See this chart on second page

"Long Term Trends in Climate Variability of Caucasus Region 1Bakhram S. Nurtaev, 2Lali Nurtaev"

http://openjournals.gela.org.ge/index.php/GGS/article/viewFi...

Re: Climate crisis, shown directly on power plant, in guerrilla projection

#25
post #10

Climate change is a hoax to increase taxes. I always hear that we’re so screwed for a million reasons and if we dont act now we go into a “runaway” scenario we cannot recover from. If this is true why have we not already hit this runaway scenario. If we’re already in that state we’d be better of leaning into it and saving resources to deal with the changes. Also the earth has natural feedback mechanisms to deal with…

Sealioning is not a good way to promote your views. Something is happening to the world but you're saying it's a conspiracy. It doesn't make sense.

Re: Climate crisis, shown directly on power plant, in guerrilla projection

#26
post #10

Climate change is a hoax to increase taxes. I always hear that we’re so screwed for a million reasons and if we dont act now we go into a “runaway” scenario we cannot recover from. If this is true why have we not already hit this runaway scenario. If we’re already in that state we’d be better of leaning into it and saving resources to deal with the changes. Also the earth has natural feedback mechanisms to deal with…

I would like to thank you for reminding everyone here that there are people that really think like this.

Re: Climate crisis, shown directly on power plant, in guerrilla projection

#27
post #2

Brilliant. I'm not a big art fan, but this really grabs me. I take my hat off to the people behind this.

Considering that organization behind this (Greenpeace) is also protesting against nuclear energy, the most realistic alternative to fossil energy, i will not take my hat off.

That’s not the most realistic alternative to fossil energy. The most realistic option would be the cheapest, renewables and storage.

Re: Climate crisis, shown directly on power plant, in guerrilla projection

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering that organization behind this (Greenpeace) is also protesting against nuclear energy, the most realistic alternative to fossil energy, i will not take my hat off.

That’s not the most realistic alternative to fossil energy. The most realistic option would be the cheapest, renewables and storage.

Could we say both are realistic alternatives? We've ran out of time and really need to move away from coal, like yesterday, who cares which method we use, let's just stop burning fossil fuels.

Re: Climate crisis, shown directly on power plant, in guerrilla projection

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post #10

Climate change is a hoax to increase taxes. I always hear that we’re so screwed for a million reasons and if we dont act now we go into a “runaway” scenario we cannot recover from. If this is true why have we not already hit this runaway scenario. If we’re already in that state we’d be better of leaning into it and saving resources to deal with the changes. Also the earth has natural feedback mechanisms to deal with…

If you’re gonna downvote, prove me wrong first !

It’s not up to us to prove you (the conspiracy theorist) wrong.

I look forward to your peer reviewed new science that will easily win you a Nobel prize, global fame, a million dollars.

Re: Climate crisis, shown directly on power plant, in guerrilla projection

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering that organization behind this (Greenpeace) is also protesting against nuclear energy, the most realistic alternative to fossil energy, i will not take my hat off.

That’s not the most realistic alternative to fossil energy. The most realistic option would be the cheapest, renewables and storage.

Should a nonexistent energy storage mechanism be considered realistic?
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